Re: [sixties-l] Re: new ground: The Sixties and the Right

From: William M Mandel (
Date: 10/06/00

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        Sure. My son Bob was a full-time GI Coffeehouse activist near huge bases
    after he was acquitted in the Oakland Seven Trial.     Bill
    monkerud wrote:
    > Although I see Marty's point, and held a youthful contempt for those whom I
    > considered conformist, I think Marty sees things too narrowly from his
    > experience. People were attracted by what we were doing and joined us, we
    > made allies in many places. We cannot be blamed for alienating those who
    > disagreed with us; they were bound to hate us for what we represented
    > anyway.
    > One strong point would be to examine the GI movement. At first we degrade
    > the GIs but that quickly changed as we turned to supporting them with a
    > Bring the Troops Home focus. I recall talking to many GIs at Fort Hood
    > Texas back then and feeling that we had much in common, and they displayed
    > no hostility to us and what we were about. We were all in the same boat.
    > best, Don
    > At 10:04 AM -0700 10/6/00, William M Mandel wrote:
    > >  Marty:
    > >Your initial post did not leave the impression that our net impact was
    > >positive. That's why I responded as I did. I'm not even sure that your
    > >examples of negative activities would stand up to careful examination.
    > >Males doing physical labor today often wear beards. They most definitely
    > >did not before the Sixties. They smoke pot, which they did not previously.
    > >They largely turned to the music which the activists liked. They sure as
    > >hell ate up Country Joe's, "Gimme an F--".
    > >                                                            Bill Mandel
    > >
    > >Marty Jezer wrote:
    > >
    > > I don't quite understand the arugment here, Bill.  I agree with you that
    > >things are better today, at least in this country, in the areas of civil
    > >rights, human rights, and issues of personal freedom (which is not to say
    > >that they're great).  But we, in the sixties, did do stuff that fueled the
    > >backlash and, IMHO, made it a lot more severe than it needed to be.
    > >
    > >Marty Jezer
    > >
    > >
    > >At 07:30 PM 10/4/2000 -0700, you wrote:
    > >
    > >The fact remains that nothing won in the field of civil rights has been
    > >lost, that gay rights are at this moment in better shape than ever before,
    > >and that, considering all the multifarious criteria for measuring the
    > >status of women, the same probably obtains there as well. Consider the
    > >latest: the legalization of the at-home abortion pill.
    > >    This does not mean that cops don't engage in racial profiling. T
    > >
    > > Marty Jezer  * 22 Prospect Street * Brattleboro, Vermont 05301Check out
    > >my web page:  <>
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