Re: [sixties-l] Re: new ground: The Sixties and the Right

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Date: 10/06/00

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    Although I see Marty's point, and held a youthful contempt for those whom I
    considered conformist, I think Marty sees things too narrowly from his
    experience. People were attracted by what we were doing and joined us, we
    made allies in many places. We cannot be blamed for alienating those who
    disagreed with us; they were bound to hate us for what we represented
    One strong point would be to examine the GI movement. At first we degrade
    the GIs but that quickly changed as we turned to supporting them with a
    Bring the Troops Home focus. I recall talking to many GIs at Fort Hood
    Texas back then and feeling that we had much in common, and they displayed
    no hostility to us and what we were about. We were all in the same boat.
    best, Don
    At 10:04 AM -0700 10/6/00, William M Mandel wrote:
    >  Marty:
    >Your initial post did not leave the impression that our net impact was
    >positive. That's why I responded as I did. I'm not even sure that your
    >examples of negative activities would stand up to careful examination.
    >Males doing physical labor today often wear beards. They most definitely
    >did not before the Sixties. They smoke pot, which they did not previously.
    >They largely turned to the music which the activists liked. They sure as
    >hell ate up Country Joe's, "Gimme an F--".
    >                                                            Bill Mandel
    >Marty Jezer wrote:
    > I don't quite understand the arugment here, Bill.  I agree with you that
    >things are better today, at least in this country, in the areas of civil
    >rights, human rights, and issues of personal freedom (which is not to say
    >that they're great).  But we, in the sixties, did do stuff that fueled the
    >backlash and, IMHO, made it a lot more severe than it needed to be.
    >Marty Jezer
    >At 07:30 PM 10/4/2000 -0700, you wrote:
    >The fact remains that nothing won in the field of civil rights has been
    >lost, that gay rights are at this moment in better shape than ever before,
    >and that, considering all the multifarious criteria for measuring the
    >status of women, the same probably obtains there as well. Consider the
    >latest: the legalization of the at-home abortion pill.
    >    This does not mean that cops don't engage in racial profiling. T
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