Re: [sixties-l] Re: sixties-l- Horowitz vs. Blanfort

From: Chris Shugart (
Date: Mon Sep 11 2000 - 20:18:09 CUT

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    >Nowhere on the planet can you find a culture in which the worship of
    >violence, or the
    >desire for material possessions is as high as we have here. And nowhere,
    >certainly in any developed culture,can one find the visible and measurable
    >degree of social alienation that exists in present day
    >America, an alienation that crosses the lines of gender, class and color.

    I suppose that the America Sucks crowd has a valid point somewhere in their
    tired litany. America does leave much to be desired. Too many people are
    being denied fair opportunity and justice. If only we could be more like
    that noble civilization of true liberty and justice...what's the name of
    that place?...Atlantis?...If only we could model our society after that
    blissful land or plenty...Shangri-la, was it?...A country where absolutely
    everyone enjoys freedom and prosperity...What's the name of that country?
    For the moment the name and location escapes me.

    Please. We get it. We got it a long time ago. The existing scene in America
    must change. But into what? What real-world model have we to go on?
    Transforming an existing scene towards an ideal scene is nothing but a
    storybook fantasy unless there are demonstrable means of getting there.

    Those of us who are flexible in our thinking, not yet set in our ways are
    always open to workable solutions based in part on common sense plus on
    what can be observed as workable. This may be a drab vision that lacks the
    romantic appeal of revolution, but hey, that's the way the real world is

    Chris Shugart

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