> Well, a real discussion. That is a surprise, and a welcome one. You write, "If
> you are black or brown, none of the above are true." Come again? If you are an
> older black woman you are going to be asked for your ID more than if you are a
> young white male? Don't think so. How many of the ID queries are racial, and
> how many are because aspects of criminal profile are present? (You might want
> to read my article on profiling "The Death of the Civil Rights Movement" at
> www.frontpagemagazine.com before you reply). On what grounds are you making
> the statement "black men and youth go to prison for crimes for which white
> men and youth receive probation and counseling"? Are you aware that sentencing
> is dependent not only on the nature of the crime but also the criminal profile
> of the defendant. If this is just the tired and incredibly lame argument about
> crack vs. powder cocaine, don't even bother to reply. As for the fact that we
> have more prison inmates than any other (I won't bother check your facts)
> doesn't it occur to you that this may have something to do with 1) enormous
> personal freedom and upward mobility and 2) incomparably generous immigration
> policies and lack of will to enforce even those (are you aware of how many
> criminals come into this country annually as illegals).
>
> What don't you understand about the fact that blacks are not only not leaving
> this country but are dying (literally) to get in? What's your explanation if
> it's not that life is better here for them than it would be anywhere they can
> think of going? Oh, and you can stuff your privileged white male baloney.
> You're not talking to the brainwashed politically correct here. One in three
> black males are indeed convicted felons. This is a serious social problem that
> has nothing to with racism (unless you want to talk about the leftwing racism
> that produced the welfare system and destroyed inner city black families.)
> Your implication that they are in jail because they lacked high paid legal
> defense rather than that they are criminals is laughable. It's true that OJ
> Simpson had high paid legal counsel and got off. It's also true that he killed
> his wife and a stranger. So...
>
> "Do you think (America's great wealth) was developed here?" Yes.
>
> Your explanation of the deterioration of the economic and social environment
> in Sub-Saharan Africa after independence just shows how ignorant of African
> conditions you are. Unless you are complaining that the colonial powers didn't
> root out tribalism. Because it's the combination of tribalism and socialism
> that has taken Africa down. Lumumba has been dead forty years. What about the
> misery Nkrumah inflicted on Ghana, Mugabe on Zimbabwe and so on. How do you
> blame Europe for the massacres in Rwanda? Why is South Africa now the rape and
> murder capital of the world with a raging AIDS epidemic and a leader who
> thinks the AIDS virus is a western plot?
>
> Cuba. Well, Jeffrey, I give up mentally on this one. Have you read nothing but
> NACLA reports since 1959? Castro was not forced into the arms of the Soviet
> Union, he leaped into them (I can't believe I'm having to argue this in
> 2000). He was a Communist in 1954 (check this out with Saul Landau, who is
> one of those who testifies to this). Secondly, the aid the Soviets gave $6
> billion a year to a country with only 6 million people at the time (you do the
> math) is unprecedented. Third, the Soviet relationship has been dead for 10
> years. What has Castro done since to diversify? He's turned Cuba into a whore
> house. I won't even go into the education and health propaganda (what good,
> Jeffrey, is an education system which indoctrinates 6 years olds in
> totalitarian clap trap? of what benefit is a health system that has no
> medicines?). This is a country which was the second richest in per capita
> income in all of Latin America in 1959. It's now a nation where people ride
> bicycles instead of automobiles and eat meat twice a month. Get a better
> excuse.
>
> Since you're argument is always the devil made them do it (do you really think
> US capitalists made Mexico a corrupt one-party state for all those years?), to
> the clear as day cases. 1) Hong Kong's economy has the highest concentration
> of foreign investment in the world, and its people have the highest per capita
> incomes of any people in Asia. 2) Before the Korean War, North Korea was the
> industrial heartland of Korea. There is a war. Both sides are devastated.
> South Korea becomes what you would call a neo-colony of the United States. The
> result for South Korea is a fantastic economic boom, entry into the world of
> industrial nations with the per capita income to go with it, an economy more
> competitive internationally than the Soviet Union at its zenith (you have
> probably bought a Korean made VCR, for example; I'll bet you have never bought
> anything from the Soviet Union but vodka and caviar), and a fledging democracy
> (not very good, but probably better than Mexico's). On other hand North Korea
> adopted those socialist policies you and Fidel love so much. Result: An
> economic basket case with mass starvation as recently as the last few years
> and Stalinoid demi-god for a ruler in what is a rigid totalitarian state.
>
> Is this example of why you are 100% wrong about the impact of foreign
> investment and U.S. protrection clear enough?
>
> My question: "Do you think that the trillions in wealth
> > that Microsoft has generated comes out of the sweat of the working class?"
>
> Your answer: "Not directly, but it came from somewhere. Suppose that Nike's
> Phillip
> Knight has contributed his share and made his own bundle with Microsoft.
> Every dime he makes comes from exploited labor." This is priceless Jeffrey. I
> wonder that you didn't bring in the price of beer in Siberia. As for "it came
> from somewhere" -- if you are not a Marxist as you coyly try to imply next in
> your post, why would you even ask such a question? It comes from supplying a
> need that is so useful to so many people that they are willing to pay
> trillions for it.
>
> Of course I never called your students naive for wanting equal rights, equal
> treatment, equal justice say with the ethnic majority, whatever that is these
> days. As a Jew, Jeffrey I don't exactly identify with the white bogeyman
> ruling group you try to create with your perverse fantasies of exploitation
> and oppression. If instead of indoctrinating your students with discredited
> totalitarian doctrines like Marxism (your entire teaching method, as described
> in your posts, is a violation of their academic freedom by the way), you
> taught to them to think about the world practically, you would them this:
>
> "Human nature being what it is, minorities in all the human cutlures that have
> ever been recorded have a somewhat harder time getting equal treatment and
> respect. And this will probably always be the case. That said, minorities in
> America have more rights, more privileges, more freedom than minorities
> anywhere else have or have had since the beginning of time. Moreover, the
> beauty of America is that it promises equality to everyone regardless of race,
> color or creed. That opens the possibility that things will be even better
> tomorrow.
>
> "However we have to fight for this possibility. Unfortunately in America there
> is a powerful movement on the left to erase the principles of equality that
> Americans have struggled so hard to establish. The left is a throwback to 19th
> Century and even 18th Century prejudices that want to undo the great bourgeois
> revolutions of those times which overthrew the aristocracies based on status
> and established individual rights and liberty. Leftists want to re-institute
> status and group identity as a basis for social order. They want create pariah
> groups and privileged groups, based entirely on skin color, or gender or
> ethnicity. Before we can advance in America to even greater levels of racial
> and ethnic equality we have to defeat this left which is poisoning the minds
> of our young with racial and ethnic prejudice and hatred, much of it directed
> towards the institutions and culture of this land itself. These leftists are
> the priests of a destructive religion. They will try to convince you that you
> are controlled by alien powers. Patriarchies and ruling classes and dominant
> races. These leftists will try to convince you that you are victims and that
> nothing you do, no crime you commit, no failure to perform is your
> responsibility. It's all because of them. This is a perfectly crippling
> message that will prevent you from ever realizing your own power if you
> believe it. If other people control you, if the system is rigged against you,
> why should you try to succeed at all? In fact the greatest obstacle you will
> face in improving your lot in this life if you are black or brown is not the
> occasional bigot you will meet, but the seduction of a political left that
> doesn't really give a damn about you or your people, but only about its own
> gratification and self-serving agendas. If you give these false prophets your
> soul, you will spend your life in fruitless self-pity, petty resentment, and
> alienation. You will withold yourself from the political and economic
> mainstream of American life. You will blame others for what you should
> probably take responsibility for yourself. You will forgo every opporunity to
> learn about yourself, to improve yourself, and to compete. You will have
> squandered the greatest opportunity the world as it really exists has to
> offer."
> You, Jeffrey, are the worst nightmare these students will have to face.
>
>
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