[tei-council] [Fwd: Humanites E-Book]

Fri Oct 23 09:38:05 EDT 2009

I guess the main question is whether Lou or anyone else will have time
to look at the technical material (DTD and tagging documentation) on the
Humanities e-Book site before the Members Meeting. I don't feel I'd have
time to work on this in the next two weeks. Could this wait until after
the meeting, unless Lou wants to press ahead?

David

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Daniel Paul O'Donnell wrote:

> I don't want to let this drop. Are we able to move soon to a recommendation to
> the Board re convergence?
>
> Daniel Paul O'Donnell wrote:
> > I think the way forward may be to continue with what Lou
> > suggests--investigate the difference, and then if Council feels it is
> > worthwhile doing, advise the Board that they would like us to approach them
> > boardo-a-boardo with a proposal for bringing them back into the fold.
> >
> > So in short, it seems to me that Council should formulate and propose a
> > course of action and then we can get started at the Board level. The idea of
> > affiliations and cooperation more generally came up at the last Board
> > meeting, although we were talking more generally about what Laurent calls
> > "political" affiliations rather than technical ones. But we have lots of
> > experience with technical cooperation and this seems to me like a really
> > good one.
> >
> > -dan
> >
> > David Sewell wrote:
> >
> > > My press director, it turns out, doesn't know the Humanities E-Book
> > > directors terribly well (met them once, like myself). So... if we want
> > > to raise with them the issue of having their texts TEI P5-compliant, it
> > > probably falls to Council or Board to approach them. As I believe Lou
> > > discovered, technical details of their encoding practice are available
> > > on their website,
> > >
> > > http://www.humanitiesebook.org/xml-books.html
> > >
> > > (White Paper No. 1 discusses at some length the derivation of their DTD
> > > from TEI Lite.)
> > >
> > > Dan, is this something for Board to discuss?
> > >
> > > On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Lou Burnard wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks David for this excellent suggestion.
> > > >
> > > > Meanwhile, i think it would be useful to start work on seeing just how
> > > > close to being a pure TEI subset the dtd actually is, modulo a few tag
> > > > renamings.... I'm happy to look into that next week.
> > > >
> > > > Lou
> > > >
> > > > David Sewell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > All,
> > > > >
> > > > > There are indeed political considerations here, and we need to proceed
> > > > > sensitively.
> > > > >
> > > > > Earlier this year, the ACLS Humanities E-Book folks put together a
> > > > > proposal to expand their system so that the broad range of publishers
> > > > > represented by the AAUP (Association of American University Presses,
> > > > > which covers US + Canada plus publishers with branches here, like
> > > > > Oxford
> > > > > and Cambridge) could include all sorts of monographs within that
> > > > > system.
> > > > > I have not been directly involved in talks about that, but the
> > > > > director
> > > > > of U of Virginia Press has. She also knows the directors of ACLS
> > > > > Humanities E-Book, Eileen Gardiner and Ron Musto, better than I do (I
> > > > > was one a panel with them once). In addition, she is a past president
> > > > > of
> > > > > the AAUP.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me suggest that I ask Penny whether she would feel comfortable
> > > > > raising with them on our (TEI Council's) behalf the concern about
> > > > > compatibility with TEI P5 and the offer to collaborate on mapping. We
> > > > > can put this in the context of increasing use of TEI as an archival
> > > > > and
> > > > > publishing standard, and the desirability of avoiding "orphan"
> > > > > implementations of TEI. At the same time we need to recognize that the
> > > > > ACLS has a viable, longstanding, working publication platform, and I
> > > > > would hope that we can extend an offer of collaboration without
> > > > > seeming
> > > > > too colonial ("bringing the light of P5 civilisation to the quaint
> > > > > tribal cultures").
> > > > >
> > > > > Does that make sense?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Lou wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I agree 100% that this is the right course of action from the
> > > > > > Council's
> > > > > > point of view.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There remains the political question of how this disagreeable state
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > affairs came into being but we probably don't want to discuss that
> > > > > > here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gabriel Bodard wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > It would be great to learn more about that "local practice" so
> > > > > > > that it
> > > > > > > can be mapped to P5 (and/or, perhaps in some cases, P5 adapted to
> > > > > > > admit it).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (He says, speaking from EpiDoc experience of turning a _highly_
> > > > > > > customized P4 DTD into a fully conformant P5 schema.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > G
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lou Burnard a écrit :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I received the following from Kevin and am meditating a reply.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > > > > > Subject: Humanites E-Book
> > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:59:28 +0100
> > > > > > > > From: Kevin Hawkins <kevin.s.hawkins at ultraslavonic.info>
> > > > > > > > To: Lou Burnard <lou.burnard at oucs.ox.ac.uk>, "Paul F. Schaffner"
> > > > > > > > <PFSchaffner at umich.edu>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Per the conversation at Council that Paul mentioned to me,
> > > > > > > > Humanities
> > > > > > > > E-book requires publishers to provide XML in a format that my
> > > > > > > > predecessors defined for them.  It's derived from the Text Class
> > > > > > > > DTD
> > > > > > > > used in DLXS, which in turn is derived from TEI Lite P3, with
> > > > > > > > local
> > > > > > > > practice grafted on top.
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