[tei-council] [Fwd: Humanites E-Book]
Daniel Paul O'Donnell
daniel.odonnell at gmail.com
Fri Oct 23 10:10:35 EDT 2009
I don't see why it can't wait in the short term myself. Basically, my
suggestion is that this looks like the classic case of the council's
ambit: offering technical advice to the board. So if this is felt that
it is something we as an organisation should pursue--and I think it is
myself--then the council's advice would be really useful.
David Sewell wrote:
> I guess the main question is whether Lou or anyone else will have time
> to look at the technical material (DTD and tagging documentation) on the
> Humanities e-Book site before the Members Meeting. I don't feel I'd have
> time to work on this in the next two weeks. Could this wait until after
> the meeting, unless Lou wants to press ahead?
>
> David
>
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Daniel Paul O'Donnell wrote:
>
>
>> I don't want to let this drop. Are we able to move soon to a recommendation to
>> the Board re convergence?
>>
>> Daniel Paul O'Donnell wrote:
>>
>>> I think the way forward may be to continue with what Lou
>>> suggests--investigate the difference, and then if Council feels it is
>>> worthwhile doing, advise the Board that they would like us to approach them
>>> boardo-a-boardo with a proposal for bringing them back into the fold.
>>>
>>> So in short, it seems to me that Council should formulate and propose a
>>> course of action and then we can get started at the Board level. The idea of
>>> affiliations and cooperation more generally came up at the last Board
>>> meeting, although we were talking more generally about what Laurent calls
>>> "political" affiliations rather than technical ones. But we have lots of
>>> experience with technical cooperation and this seems to me like a really
>>> good one.
>>>
>>> -dan
>>>
>>> David Sewell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> My press director, it turns out, doesn't know the Humanities E-Book
>>>> directors terribly well (met them once, like myself). So... if we want
>>>> to raise with them the issue of having their texts TEI P5-compliant, it
>>>> probably falls to Council or Board to approach them. As I believe Lou
>>>> discovered, technical details of their encoding practice are available
>>>> on their website,
>>>>
>>>> http://www.humanitiesebook.org/xml-books.html
>>>>
>>>> (White Paper No. 1 discusses at some length the derivation of their DTD
>>>> from TEI Lite.)
>>>>
>>>> Dan, is this something for Board to discuss?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Lou Burnard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks David for this excellent suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, i think it would be useful to start work on seeing just how
>>>>> close to being a pure TEI subset the dtd actually is, modulo a few tag
>>>>> renamings.... I'm happy to look into that next week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lou
>>>>>
>>>>> David Sewell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are indeed political considerations here, and we need to proceed
>>>>>> sensitively.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Earlier this year, the ACLS Humanities E-Book folks put together a
>>>>>> proposal to expand their system so that the broad range of publishers
>>>>>> represented by the AAUP (Association of American University Presses,
>>>>>> which covers US + Canada plus publishers with branches here, like
>>>>>> Oxford
>>>>>> and Cambridge) could include all sorts of monographs within that
>>>>>> system.
>>>>>> I have not been directly involved in talks about that, but the
>>>>>> director
>>>>>> of U of Virginia Press has. She also knows the directors of ACLS
>>>>>> Humanities E-Book, Eileen Gardiner and Ron Musto, better than I do (I
>>>>>> was one a panel with them once). In addition, she is a past president
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the AAUP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me suggest that I ask Penny whether she would feel comfortable
>>>>>> raising with them on our (TEI Council's) behalf the concern about
>>>>>> compatibility with TEI P5 and the offer to collaborate on mapping. We
>>>>>> can put this in the context of increasing use of TEI as an archival
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> publishing standard, and the desirability of avoiding "orphan"
>>>>>> implementations of TEI. At the same time we need to recognize that the
>>>>>> ACLS has a viable, longstanding, working publication platform, and I
>>>>>> would hope that we can extend an offer of collaboration without
>>>>>> seeming
>>>>>> too colonial ("bringing the light of P5 civilisation to the quaint
>>>>>> tribal cultures").
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does that make sense?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Lou wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree 100% that this is the right course of action from the
>>>>>>> Council's
>>>>>>> point of view.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There remains the political question of how this disagreeable state
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> affairs came into being but we probably don't want to discuss that
>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gabriel Bodard wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would be great to learn more about that "local practice" so
>>>>>>>> that it
>>>>>>>> can be mapped to P5 (and/or, perhaps in some cases, P5 adapted to
>>>>>>>> admit it).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (He says, speaking from EpiDoc experience of turning a _highly_
>>>>>>>> customized P4 DTD into a fully conformant P5 schema.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> G
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lou Burnard a écrit :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I received the following from Kevin and am meditating a reply.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Humanites E-Book
>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:59:28 +0100
>>>>>>>>> From: Kevin Hawkins <kevin.s.hawkins at ultraslavonic.info>
>>>>>>>>> To: Lou Burnard <lou.burnard at oucs.ox.ac.uk>, "Paul F. Schaffner"
>>>>>>>>> <PFSchaffner at umich.edu>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Per the conversation at Council that Paul mentioned to me,
>>>>>>>>> Humanities
>>>>>>>>> E-book requires publishers to provide XML in a format that my
>>>>>>>>> predecessors defined for them. It's derived from the Text Class
>>>>>>>>> DTD
>>>>>>>>> used in DLXS, which in turn is derived from TEI Lite P3, with
>>>>>>>>> local
>>>>>>>>> practice grafted on top.
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Daniel Paul O'Donnell
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University of Lethbridge
Chair and CEO, Text Encoding Initiative (http://www.tei-c.org/)
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