[tei-council] [Fwd: Humanites E-Book]
Daniel Paul O'Donnell
daniel.odonnell at gmail.com
Thu Oct 22 01:14:27 EDT 2009
I don't want to let this drop. Are we able to move soon to a
recommendation to the Board re convergence?
Daniel Paul O'Donnell wrote:
> I think the way forward may be to continue with what Lou
> suggests--investigate the difference, and then if Council feels it is
> worthwhile doing, advise the Board that they would like us to approach
> them boardo-a-boardo with a proposal for bringing them back into the fold.
>
> So in short, it seems to me that Council should formulate and propose a
> course of action and then we can get started at the Board level. The
> idea of affiliations and cooperation more generally came up at the last
> Board meeting, although we were talking more generally about what
> Laurent calls "political" affiliations rather than technical ones. But
> we have lots of experience with technical cooperation and this seems to
> me like a really good one.
>
> -dan
>
> David Sewell wrote:
>
>> My press director, it turns out, doesn't know the Humanities E-Book
>> directors terribly well (met them once, like myself). So... if we want
>> to raise with them the issue of having their texts TEI P5-compliant, it
>> probably falls to Council or Board to approach them. As I believe Lou
>> discovered, technical details of their encoding practice are available
>> on their website,
>>
>> http://www.humanitiesebook.org/xml-books.html
>>
>> (White Paper No. 1 discusses at some length the derivation of their DTD
>> from TEI Lite.)
>>
>> Dan, is this something for Board to discuss?
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Lou Burnard wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Thanks David for this excellent suggestion.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, i think it would be useful to start work on seeing just how
>>> close to being a pure TEI subset the dtd actually is, modulo a few tag
>>> renamings.... I'm happy to look into that next week.
>>>
>>> Lou
>>>
>>> David Sewell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> There are indeed political considerations here, and we need to proceed
>>>> sensitively.
>>>>
>>>> Earlier this year, the ACLS Humanities E-Book folks put together a
>>>> proposal to expand their system so that the broad range of publishers
>>>> represented by the AAUP (Association of American University Presses,
>>>> which covers US + Canada plus publishers with branches here, like Oxford
>>>> and Cambridge) could include all sorts of monographs within that system.
>>>> I have not been directly involved in talks about that, but the director
>>>> of U of Virginia Press has. She also knows the directors of ACLS
>>>> Humanities E-Book, Eileen Gardiner and Ron Musto, better than I do (I
>>>> was one a panel with them once). In addition, she is a past president of
>>>> the AAUP.
>>>>
>>>> Let me suggest that I ask Penny whether she would feel comfortable
>>>> raising with them on our (TEI Council's) behalf the concern about
>>>> compatibility with TEI P5 and the offer to collaborate on mapping. We
>>>> can put this in the context of increasing use of TEI as an archival and
>>>> publishing standard, and the desirability of avoiding "orphan"
>>>> implementations of TEI. At the same time we need to recognize that the
>>>> ACLS has a viable, longstanding, working publication platform, and I
>>>> would hope that we can extend an offer of collaboration without seeming
>>>> too colonial ("bringing the light of P5 civilisation to the quaint
>>>> tribal cultures").
>>>>
>>>> Does that make sense?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Lou wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I agree 100% that this is the right course of action from the Council's
>>>>> point of view.
>>>>>
>>>>> There remains the political question of how this disagreeable state of
>>>>> affairs came into being but we probably don't want to discuss that here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gabriel Bodard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be great to learn more about that "local practice" so that it
>>>>>> can be mapped to P5 (and/or, perhaps in some cases, P5 adapted to admit it).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (He says, speaking from EpiDoc experience of turning a _highly_
>>>>>> customized P4 DTD into a fully conformant P5 schema.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> G
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lou Burnard a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I received the following from Kevin and am meditating a reply.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>> Subject: Humanites E-Book
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:59:28 +0100
>>>>>>> From: Kevin Hawkins <kevin.s.hawkins at ultraslavonic.info>
>>>>>>> To: Lou Burnard <lou.burnard at oucs.ox.ac.uk>, "Paul F. Schaffner"
>>>>>>> <PFSchaffner at umich.edu>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Per the conversation at Council that Paul mentioned to me, Humanities
>>>>>>> E-book requires publishers to provide XML in a format that my
>>>>>>> predecessors defined for them. It's derived from the Text Class DTD
>>>>>>> used in DLXS, which in turn is derived from TEI Lite P3, with local
>>>>>>> practice grafted on top.
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