[tei-council] pb, lb

Mon Nov 17 12:27:32 EST 2008

Thanks Lou. I actually was looking exactly at that example 
(http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/CO.html#COVE) but 
didn't read the prose which makes clear that implicitness (duh).

It is still an ambiguity of course, but at least the prose clarifies the 
use.

Arianna

Lou Burnard wrote:
> I've just checked through the guidelines, and I must say I cannot find
> any obviously inconsistent uses. The text quite explicitly recommends
> that <lb/> should be given at the start of a line, rather than its end,
> and that is what all the examples I can find do. Can you point to the
> examples you have in mind?
> 
> The only variant behaviour I found is whether or not a <lb> is given at
> the start of elements such as <p> or <head>, where one might reasonably
> argue that they are implicit. This omission is explicitly licenced in
> the guidelines:  "By convention, the start
> of a metrical line implies the start of a typographic line; hence
> there is no need to introduce an <gi>lb</gi> tag at the start of every
> <gi>l</gi> element, but only at places where a new typographic line
> starts  within a metrical line, as in the following example:"(see
> http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/CO.html#COVE)
> It's debatable whether this implied lb should be applicable to cases
> like <rubric> and other quotes within an <msItem> -- I'd say probably not.
> 
> But in any case, I don't see the argument as implying that *all* <lb/>s
> be explicitly marked.
> 
> Ciula, Arianna wrote:
> 
>> Hi Laurent,
>>
>> this is nothing new, but the old argument of milestones such as <lb/> to
>> be used at the '(b) beginning' of a new textual status of some kind.
>> This is why I just sent my message as a reply to a thread dating back to
>> September 2007 (see my message to the council sent on the 13th of November).
>>
>> Arianna
>>
>> Laurent Romary wrote:
>>> Arianna,
>>> Can you ellaborate on this. I did not grasp the argument.
>>> Laurent
>>>
>>> Le 17 nov. 08 à 13:30, Arianna Ciula a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>
>>>> Peter Boot wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> <docTitle>
>>>>>>  <titlePart type="main">
>>>>>>   <lb/>THE
>>>>>>  <lb/>Pilgrim's Progress
>>>>>>  <lb/>FROM
>>>>>>  <lb/>THIS WORLD,
>>>>>>  <lb/>TO
>>>>>>  <lb/>That which is to come:
>>>>>>  </titlePart>
>>>>>> <!-- etc. -->
>>>>>> </docTitle>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...and that <lb/> at the beginning is not consistent with other
>>>>>> examples...
>>>>> I would say that there might be cases where a docTitle does not
>>>>> necessarily begin on a new line. For projects that encounter that
>>>>> situation, an initial <lb> might be necessary in the cases where it
>>>>> does.
>>>> The thing is that the inconsistency is not about the encoding of
>>>> material within <docTitle> but rather the use of <lb/> at the
>>>> begging or
>>>> end of a line in examples within the guidelines.
>>>>
>>>> Arianna
>>>>
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Centre for Computing in the Humanities
King's College London
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London WC2B 5RL (UK)
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