Re: [sixties-l] Critique of Bruce Franklin

Date: 10/24/00

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    In a message dated Mon, 23 Oct 2000  9:51:56 PM Eastern
    Daylight Time, Ted Morgan <> writes:
    <First, as Michael Wright points out, Bruce is 
    <referring to a public opinion poll that demonstrated 
    <stronger antiwar opposition among the non-college
    <educated, more working-class, more minority segments 
    <of the population.  
    Michael Wright pointed out no such thing. The  poll data Franklin
    cited concerned itself  ONLY with respondents classified by 
    educational certification completed.  There was no mention  of 
    racial or occupational groupings.
    Further, I criticized Franklin for making an  unsubstantiated claim 
    about "college students."  There was no data for that classification
    in the Gallup survey he reported.
    Additionally I argued that Franklin's implicit assumption that
    favoring withdrawal of US troops from Vietnam in 1971 indicated
    a "dove" mentality of moral opposition to the war was an error.
    In response to William Mandel, I must emphasize out that he 
    did not quote me accurately.  My statement was that repression 
    of DISSENT is truly color-blind.  Unless one wants to argue
    that a black man raping a white woman is a political, insurrectionary 
    act, then that statement does not address the issue of whether 
    blacks in the old South were more likely than whites to be 
    sentenced to death for rape.  Further, I would like to point out that 
    I was talking about state-sponsored political repression -- not KKK-
    style vigilante actions.
    If Mandel wants to argue that historically, whites have been given 
    a special break by the forces of state-sponsored repression of political 
    dissent, I would like to hear his evidence.
     ~ Michael Wright
        Norman, Oklahoma
    In a message dated Mon, 23 Oct 2000  9:48:46 PM Eastern Daylight
    Time, Bill Mandel <> writes:
    << As father of Bob Mandel, one of the Oakland 7, and as an individual, 
    white, with lifetime experience with repression myself, I must object 
    to Michael Wright's statement that "repression is truly color-blind." 
    Bob had been in Mississippi with SNCC in 1963 and 1964. Yes, half a 
    dozen whites were killed in that struggle, but the number of Blacks 
    whose lives were taken was qualitatively greater, a fact that 
    explained the early reticence of African-American southerners to 
    become involved in the voting registration effort.
       Nine years before 1960, the accepted date for the beginning of the 
    civil rights movement, I had been in the South with a nationwide mass 
    delegation in an unsuccessful effort to save the lives of seven Blacks 
    sentenced to death for the rape of a white woman. Never mind the fact 
    of evidence that this had been an act of prostitution, the pertinence 
    to Wright's statement is that no white had ever been executed for rape 
    in the history of the state of Virginia, where this occurred. 
    Discriminatory race-based execution was an act of repression, as it 
    continues to be today nationwide. 
       Incidentally, the story of the manner in which the Black population 
    of Richmond rallied to our support, and the sense of fairness 
    displayed by an absolute majority of the whites we called by 
    systematically going through the entire phone book, is my one 
    contribution to the written history of African Americans. I give it 
    twenty pages in Saying No To Power.
                                                                  William Mandel  

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