Re: [sixties-l] Horowitz, Art Goldberg and Stew Albert

From: David Horowitz (
Date: Mon Jun 19 2000 - 05:41:03 CUT

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    Actually Joe might have pointed out that I respected his desire to keep our
    correspondence private. Also, the black woman I interviewed, as I explained to him
    (but is apparently uncomfortable repeating) was evicted from her Title 8 housing
    (for the indigent) and as I did not tell him (because I can how defensive he is
    about his mother -- and after all it is his mother), she was evicted as the result
    of a harassment campaign orchestrated by Florence MacDonald (the woman had not gone
    along with some political agenda dear to Florence). Of course, I didn't just
    interview one black woman. I was referred to the woman by other people who were
    familiar with the housing project and with Florence MacDonald's role in this and
    other incidents.

    Of course, nobody is a "Stalnist" anymore, in the sense Joe intends. It's the
    mentality that counts not the promotional face of the politics ("democratic
    socialist" or whatever).

    As for Stew's observations, Art Goldberg -- to whom I had given a great deal of help
    financially and otherwise over the years -- sought fit to write -- out of the blue
    and for ideological reasons only -- a nasty, hypocritical and mendacious letter to
    me ending our fifty-year friendship. In the letter he informs me that he is been bad
    mouthing me all over town with the same lies in any case. Typically, Stew thinks I
    owed Art the courtesy after this unprovoked kick in the balls and the ongoing
    malice, to keep Art's treachery private. On what grounds? This isn't "ends justify
    the means politics." This is my idea of social justice.

    Joe McDonald wrote:

    > wrote:
    > > re- the Art Goldberg, David Horowitz, and me, letter
    > >
    > > This may a bit short but I want to make the point that Art Goldberg sent that
    > > letter to David Horowitz as a personal correspondence. It was not intended
    > > for publication. None of us wanted a public dispute with Horowitz. He
    > > reprinted the letter in Salon without permission. Certainly Goldberg could
    > > have sued if he was a mind but Art isn't that sort of guy. So, if
    > > participants in the '60's list are angry about Horowitz reprinting their
    > > exchanges on his web site without an ok, they should know that such actions
    > > are typical of David's "ends justify the means" style of neo-McCarthyite
    > > politics.
    > > Stew Albert
    > >
    > i asked mr horowitz off the list to explain why he disrespected my mother,
    > Florence McDonald in his book about hating the left wing. He answered me that
    > upon interviewing one "black woman" in the low cost housing complex in Berkeley
    > that my parents lived in, he decided that my mother, Florence McDonald,
    > "controlled" the housing and wanted the woman "kicked out" of the housing.
    > Which is not true at all. He also told me my mother was a "Stalinist". i
    > related back that it was news to me at that time period i am sure that she was
    > still dedicated to a form of democratic socialism but some type of "communism"
    > after being sold down the creek in the 50's witch hunts by her "commie" friends
    > and left out to dry...i dont think so. i also asked mr horowitz because he is a
    > self proclaimed expert on Communism to explain the difference between a
    > Stalinist, Trotskyist, Marxist and Maoist, i am sure my mother could explain,
    > myself i have never understood, mr horowitz did not reply.
    > i am just sharing this for two reasons. One to let people know that David
    > Horowitz is not always totally correct in what he writes having done poor
    > research at least in the case of my mother. And two hoping that maybe someone
    > on the list could explain in just a few simple paragraphs that this non
    > university educated musician could understand, just what the heck the difference
    > is between all those "ists"? cheers, country joe mcdonald
    > -- "Ira Furor Brevis Est " - Anger is a brief madness
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