[tei-council] Bug 506: examples for @corresp

Fri Dec 20 14:21:29 EST 2013

How about this one from the text of the Guidelines:

<http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/DR.html#DRSIM>

It's not possible to argue here that "the target and the source are 
interchangeable"; a speech is not a stage direction. This example 
survives unchanged from P4, incidentally:

<http://www.tei-c.org/Vault/P4/doc/html/DR.html#DRBOD>

Cheers,
Martin

On 13-12-20 11:08 AM, Martin Holmes wrote:
> A gloss is, though, in some sense "interchangeable", and the new example
> is supposed to demonstrate a usage which is not like that.
>
> I've also looked at the TEI By Example usage here:
>
> <http://www.teibyexample.org/examples/TBED04v00.htm>
>
> where @corresp is used to link <rhyme> elements together. It's obvious
> that you can't just interchange the text of a rhyme at the end of one
> line with the text of a rhyme at the end of another, so that might be a
> good example, but it's a fine distinction; you could also argue that
> @corresp applies to the rhyminess, rather than the text, so they are
> somehow equivalent (and that's sort of the point of a rhyme). I also
> think this example would end up being rather long for the purpose.
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
>
> On 13-12-20 10:59 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:
>> I think there’s more than one type of note. There’s the additional explanatory text, anchored at some point in the body of the main text (e.g. foot- or endnotes), and I agree there’s not really a correspondence relation for those. But there are also notes that are annotations—that explicitly attach to and add information about something (probably in a TEI context something that’s already tagged, like a persName), and for these I think there *is* a correspondence. <note> is used interchangeably for these, to add to the confusion.
>>
>> A gloss might indeed be a less ambiguous example.
>>
>> On Dec 20, 2013, at 13:49 , Fabio Ciotti <fabio.ciotti at uniroma2.it> wrote:
>>
>>> In my view this example risks to enlarge the intended semantic of
>>> @corresp too much, making it similar to @html:href: a general purpose
>>> global linking element.
>>> In this specific example I'd rather include <persName> inside a <ref>
>>> element, for instance. In fact there is no correspondence relation
>>> between a note reference and its body (in this example yes, but in
>>> general I would not say that a note correspond to its reference). I'd
>>> rather find an example of loose co-reference (not an anaphora,
>>> although in a literary text it's not true that the two members of an
>>> anaphora are interchangeable ) like a periphrasis, or a term linked to
>>> a sort of glossary.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> where @corresp is proposed as a way of linking an element in the text to
>>>>>> a footnote or endnote. The example there is in P4, but updated and
>>>>>> slightly simplified it would be something like this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <body>
>>>>>> <!-- ... -->
>>>>>>       <p>It remained to the glorious
>>>>>>         <persName id="a001" corresp="#n001"">Cromwell</persName>
>>>>>>         to tame this tiger...</p>
>>>>>> <!-- ... -->
>>>>>> </body>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <!-- ... -->
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <back>
>>>>>>       <note id="n001" target="#a001">
>>>>>>         <p>
>>>>>>           The famed<persName>Oliver
>>>>>>           Cromwell</persName>, Lord Protector...
>>>>>>         </p>
>>>>>>       </note>
>>>>>> </back>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it's unambiguous here that the<persName>  is not interchangeable
>>>>>> with the<note>, so this should satisfy the need for a looser example.
>>>>>> Does anyone have any objections to this? Syd, is there a source for it,
>>>>>> or was it made up?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Martin
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