[tei-council] <timeline> without timing information?

[Lou Burnard]

While I've no objection to adding some more detail to the example as 
Martin suggests, I must protest at the suggestion that it is currently 
incoherent. The point which is not perhaps being made clearly enough 
here is that simply aligning bits of a dialog with distinct <when> 
elements provides some kind of temporal ordering for them, since <when>s 
are always ordered within a <timeline>, even in the absence of 
additional timing information. Whereas the synchronization attributes 
just allow you to say that events are um synchronous, without saying 
anything about the order in which they occur


On 01/01/13 19:07, Martin Holmes wrote:
> Take a look at this block from Chapter 8:
>
> --------------------
> Where the whole of one or another utterance is to be synchronized, the
> start and end attributes may be used:
>
> <u who="#tom">I used to smoke <anchor xml:id="TS-p10"/> a lot more than this
> <anchor xml:id="TS-p20"/>but I never inhaled the smoke</u>
> <u start="#TS-p10" end="#TS-p20" who="#bob">You used to smoke</u>
>
> [...]in
>
> If synchronization with specific timing information is required, a
> timeline must be included:
>
> <timeline origin="#TS-t01">
>    <when xml:id="TS-t01"/>
>    <when xml:id="TS-t02"/>
> </timeline>
> <u who="#tom">I used to smoke
> <anchor synch="#TS-t01"/>a lot more than this
> <anchor synch="#TS-t02"/>but I never inhaled the smoke</u>
> <u who="#bob">
>    <anchor synch="#TS-t01"/>You used to smoke<anchor synch="#TS-t02"/>
> </u>
> -----------------
>
> The expanded version with <timeline> is introduced explicitly to show
> "specific timing information", but it doesn't seem to do so; there's no
> @absolute or @interval, and as far as I can see, the addition of
> <timeline> provides no benefit to the encoding. I think this is a simple
> omission, which could be remedied by adding appropriate timing info,
> like this:
>
>
> <timeline origin="#TS-t01" unit="s">
>    <when xml:id="TS-t01" absolute="15:33:01Z"/>
>    <when xml:id="TS-t02" interval="2.5" since="#TS-t01"/>
> </timeline>
> <u who="#tom">I used to smoke
> <anchor synch="#TS-t01"/>a lot more than this
> <anchor synch="#TS-t02"/>but I never inhaled the smoke</u>
> <u who="#bob">
>    <anchor synch="#TS-t01"/>You used to smoke<anchor synch="#TS-t02"/>
> </u>
>
> Have I misunderstood, or should I go ahead and make this change?
>
> Cheers,
> Martin