[tei-council] biblscope and imprint

[Kevin Hawkins]

Gabby's right. I was focusing on placement of <biblScope> in relation to 
<imprint>.  So Lou's citation (from the Guidelines) would in fact be:

<biblStruct>
   <analytic>
     <author>Chesnutt, David</author>
     <title>Historical Editions in the States</title>
     <biblScope type="pp">377–380</biblScope>
   </analytic>
   <monogr>
     <title level="j">Computers and the Humanities</title>
     <imprint>
       <date when="1991-12">(December, 1991):</date>
     </imprint>
     <biblScope type="vol">25</biblScope>
     <biblScope type="issue">6</biblScope>
   </monogr>
</biblStruct>

On 11/2/2012 10:50 AM, Gabriel Bodard wrote:
> Is that what we proposed?
>
> I thought I remembered we had suggested to put the biblScope in the
> element whose scope is being defined by it, so<biblScope type="pp">
> goes in<analytic>  because the article is only pages 377-380 of the
> volume in question, and<biblScope type="issue">  goes in<monogr>
> because this volume is only issue 25.6 of the journal....
>
> But looking at this stuff I find myself more and more agreeing with
> Martin that biblStruct was never a good idea. ;-)
>
> G
>
> On 2012-11-02 14:29, Kevin Hawkins wrote:
>> The ticket proposes putting<biblScope>s after the<imprint>  element
>> when its present.  So your example would now be encoded as:
>>
>> <biblStruct>
>>      <analytic>
>>        <author>Chesnutt, David</author>
>>        <title>Historical Editions in the States</title>
>>      </analytic>
>>      <monogr>
>>        <title level="j">Computers and the Humanities</title>
>>        <imprint>
>>          <date when="1991-12">(December, 1991):</date>
>>        </imprint>
>>        <biblScope>25.6</biblScope>
>>        <biblScope>377–380</biblScope>
>>      </monogr>
>> </biblStruct>
>>
>> --Kevin
>>
>> On 11/2/2012 7:02 AM, Lou Burnard wrote:
>>> Tootling across france on the train yesterday I started trying to deal
>>> with http://purl.org/tei/FR/3555190...
>>>
>>> The part about the scope of biblscope was fairly easy to add, as was
>>> guidance on usage of biblScope. But I hit a problem with the second
>>> part, where it says that biblScope doesn't belong inside<imprint>   --
>>> the logic behind that desire is impeccable, but it messes up an awful
>>> lot of out current practice.
>>>
>>> Consider the following:
>>>
>>> <biblStruct>
>>> <analytic>
>>> <author>Chesnutt, David</author>
>>> <title>Historical Editions in the States</title>
>>> </analytic>
>>> <monogr>
>>> <title level="j">Computers and the Humanities</title>
>>> <imprint>
>>> <biblScope>25.6</biblScope>
>>> <date when="1991-12">(December, 1991):</date>
>>> <biblScope>377–380</biblScope>
>>> </imprint>
>>> </monogr>
>>> </biblStruct>
>>>
>>> which is a fairly common pattern in P5 (and appears as the canonical
>>> example for<imprint>)
>>>
>>> If, following FR 3555190, we think<biblStruct>   has no place within
>>> <imprint>, how should
>>> this, and many similar cases, be tagged?
>>>
>>> One possibility might be
>>>
>>> <monogr>
>>> <title level="j">Computers and the Humanities</title>
>>> <biblScope>25.6</biblScope>
>>> <biblScope>377–380</biblScope>
>>> <imprint>
>>> <date when="1991-12">(December, 1991):</date>
>>> </imprint>
>>> </monogr>
>>>
>>> Another might be
>>>
>>> <monogr>
>>> <title level="j">Computers and the Humanities</title>
>>> <biblScope>25.6</biblScope>
>>> <biblScope>377–380</biblScope>
>>> <biblScope type="date">(December, 1991)</biblScope>
>>> </imprint>
>>> </monogr>
>>>
>>> or perhaps better
>>>
>>> <biblScope><date when="1991-12">(December, 1991)</date></biblScope>
>>>
>>>
>>> Another might be to tweak the content model so that
>>> model.dateLike is permitted outside<imprint>   and alongside<biblScope>
>>>
>>> And another might be to reconsider the decision to remove<biblScope>
>>> from within<imprint>
>>>
>>> Any ideas? Everyone braced for the rush of complaints?
>>>
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