[tei-council] @dur seems to be unavailable

[Lou Burnard]

On 03/11/11 22:30, Martin Holmes wrote:
> I should have seen this:
>
> <classSpec xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" module="spoken"
> predeclare="true" type="atts" ident="att.duration">
>
> But I was led astray by the Guidelines, which say:
>
> data.duration.w3c
> Module	tei — 1 The TEI Infrastructure

it's a bit tricksy ... the class has to be predeclared (but without any 
value) so that it can be referenced from other classes. DTDs. Don't ask.

>
> In any case, this _has_ to be the wrong place for duration.

I beg to differ.

In this
> case, I need duration for specifying the relative timing of fictional
> events which have no specific real date or time;

In which case you don't want @dur ! you want something else.

I need none of the
> elements in spoken at all, and I've excluded them all. It seems silly to
> be forced to include a module when you don't want any of its elements.
>
> I think duration should be pulled in automatically by namesdates as well
> as by spoken. I'm not sure of the mechanism for doing this, though.
> Should I put in a ticket for this?

Certainly (tho right now I'd be happier to see some tickets being closed 
rather than more added). It would be useful if you could explain the use 
case more clearly. @dur is for timed events, and the only module we have 
in which timed events occur is spoken.

By the way, I vaguely recall that if you use iso dates rather than w3c 
dates, you get duration included as part of the representation for 
date/time for free. But maybe that's not what you wanted.


>
> Cheers,
> Martin
>
> On 11-11-03 03:11 PM, Lou Burnard wrote:
>> You need to include the spoken module to get this attribute.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/11/11 22:02, Martin Holmes wrote:
>>> I'm sure I'm missing something obvious here, but I just generated a
>>> schema in the online Roma with core stuff + corpus + namesdates +
>>> textcrit, and I was expecting @dur to be available on<date>    and<time>,
>>> but it's not.
>>>
>>> If I do "change attributes" on<date>, @dur is not one of the options.
>>>
>>> @dur is defined in att.duration.w3c.
>>> att.duration is a member of att.duration.w3c.
>>> <date>    is a member of att.duration.
>>>
>>> In addition, there's also a macroSpec called data.duration.w3c, which
>>> defines the datatype for W3C durations.
>>>
>>> What am I missing here? I can't find any bug reports or FRs relating to
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Martin
>>>
>>>
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