[tei-council] support for P4

Mon Sep 26 13:02:03 EDT 2011

P6 is a topic of discussion both among us and in the broader community; 
even if people are only saying "I don't want to talk or think about P6 
at all", they're still expressing an opinion about it.

Personally I think our attitude to P6 governs pretty much everything 
from here on. If we decide P6 is basically off the table for the 
foreseeable future, we're basically saying that there will be fairly 
major structural changes in P5, because P5 will have to accommodate 
everything new and different people want to do; if we accept that P6 is 
in our future, and start working on it, then P5 can remain much more 
stable, in a kind of "maintenance mode", while serious changes can be 
addressed in the context of a complete re-think.

Personally, I like the latter option, but I suspect I'm in a minority. 
There are so many things about P5 that seem to me to be basically 
unfixable (such as the "50-ways-to-do-the-same-thing" problem). I'd 
really like to be able to start imagining something better.

Cheers,
Martin

On 11-09-26 09:17 AM, Pierazzo, Elena wrote:
>
> On 26/09/2011 17:06, "Bodard, Gabriel"<gabriel.bodard at kcl.ac.uk>  wrote:
>
>> Personally I'd like to downplay discussion of P6, which I don't think is
>> a useful concept at the moment. How about phrasing a question about how
>> major technological changes to and/or affecting TEI are at the
>> moment/the near future without mentioning "P6" by name?
>>
>> G
>
> Well, P6 was mentioned as one of the possible choices in the list of
> question present by John to all candidates and continuing member of the
> Council and Board. As I think this the answer will be made public, I fear
> it is already too late for that.
> E
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On 2011-09-26 17:00, Laurent Romary wrote:
>>> Kind-of interfering with JU's questionnaire, but why not. We would play
>>> our role by doing this.
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 26 sept. 2011 à 17:50, Martin Holmes a écrit :
>>>
>>>> I'd like to see something relating to P6:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think that:
>>>>
>>>>    - The TEI should focus only on revisions to P5 for next couple of
>>>> years.
>>>>
>>>>    - The TEI should begin soliciting ideas for the most substantial
>>>> changes in P6.
>>>>
>>>>    - The TEI should start working on a detailed plan for P6 immediately.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>> On 11-09-26 03:39 AM, James Cummings wrote:
>>>>> Back in June Council mostly seemed to agree that the timetable I
>>>>> laid out below was sensible for de-emphasising TEI P4 a year
>>>>> before we stop supporting it in November 2012.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the next week or so I was going to post a message to TEI-L
>>>>> explaining that from November 2011 we'll be de-emphasising TEI P4
>>>>> on the website in preparation for its lack of support from
>>>>> November 2012. I was going to include a surveymonkey survey at
>>>>> the same time allowing feedback from the community to gauge the
>>>>> strength of their dependence on or desire for support of TEI P4.
>>>>> (As well as gather some other data.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Questions that occur to me to include in this survey are below,
>>>>> but if Council has any other suggestions, or corrections, let me
>>>>> know in the next few days.
>>>>>
>>>>> ====
>>>>> Do you have projects still using TEI P4 that need support?
>>>>> - I have active and ongoing projects using TEI P4 which will not
>>>>> migrate to TEI P5
>>>>> - I have active and ongoing projects using TEI P4 but I may
>>>>> migrate these to TEI P5
>>>>> - I continue to support legacy projects using TEI P4 which I
>>>>> might migrate to TEI P5
>>>>> - I continue to support legacy projects using TEI P4 which I
>>>>> won't migrate to TEI P5
>>>>> - I have legacy TEI P4 projects, but they need little support
>>>>> - I have migrated any TEI P4 projects to TEI P5
>>>>> - I have no TEI P4 projects needing support
>>>>>
>>>>> How much should the TEI-C begin de-emphasise TEI P4 on the
>>>>> website before November 2012?
>>>>> - It should only be available from the TEI Vault and not
>>>>> mentioned elsewhere
>>>>> - It should only be available from the TEI Vault but existing
>>>>> links redirected
>>>>> - It should be available from the TEI Vault but seamlessly
>>>>> mirrored in its current location
>>>>> - It should not be moved to the Vault but remain where it is
>>>>>
>>>>> Should search engines be dissuaded from indexing TEI P4?
>>>>> - TEI P4 should not be indexed and links to it not followed
>>>>> - TEI P4 should not be indexed
>>>>> - TEI P4 should continue to be indexed
>>>>> - TEI P4 should continue to be indexed and links to it followed
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you used TEI P5 for a project?
>>>>> - Yes
>>>>> - No
>>>>> - I'm about to
>>>>>
>>>>> How many TEI P4 projects do you have?
>>>>> - 0
>>>>> - 1
>>>>> - 2-5
>>>>> - 6-15
>>>>> - 16-30
>>>>> - more than 30
>>>>>
>>>>> How many TEI P5 projects do you have?
>>>>> - 0
>>>>> - 1
>>>>> - 2-5
>>>>> - 6-15
>>>>> - 16-30
>>>>> - more than 30
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you submitted a Bug or Feature Request to the TEI?
>>>>> - I have submitted both Bugs and Feature Requests directly on
>>>>> Sourceforge
>>>>> - I have submitted either a Bug or a Feature Request directly on
>>>>> Sourceforge
>>>>> - I have submitted either a Bug or a Feature Request via a TEI
>>>>> Council member or other individual
>>>>> - I have contributed to discussions on TEI-L which have informed
>>>>> Bug or Feature Requests
>>>>> - I have not contributed a Bug or Feature Request but intend to
>>>>> - I have not contributed a Bug or Feature Request
>>>>> - What are Bugs or Feature Requests?
>>>>> ====
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggestions appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> -James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14/06/11 10:04, James Cummings wrote:
>>>>>> Could I suggest that the appropriate time to have a de-emphasis
>>>>>> of TEI P4 is in November 2011.  I suggest this because that is
>>>>>> exactly one calendar year before we stop support for P4.  We
>>>>>> promised 5 years ongoing support for TEI P4 from November 2007.
>>>>>> In November 2011 we could de-emphasize it by doing the following
>>>>>> things as Sebastian suggests:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Freeze any support of it except major bugs (if we've not done
>>>>>> this already)
>>>>>> - Demote its visibility in the TEI-C Website
>>>>>> - Change the robots.txt to encourage search engines to forget
>>>>>> about it.
>>>>>> - Remind people that they have a year to stop using it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In November 2012 I'd suggest that it appears only in the Vault
>>>>>> and that the TEI Guidelines page not have any mention of it. (As
>>>>>> it has no mention of other versions like TEI P3, but does have a
>>>>>> link to the TEI Archive which contains them).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Martin Holmes
>>>> University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
>>>> (mholmes at uvic.ca)
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