[tei-council] genetic draft -- from Brett, pt. 3

Martin Holmes mholmes at uvic.ca
Wed Aug 31 08:44:58 EDT 2011

On 11-08-31 05:23 AM, Pierazzo, Elena wrote:
> Does it requires coordinates?  I don't seem to remember that they were
> mandatory.

Coordinates on <zone>s are not mandatory, but it's difficult to see what 
you would be defining if you created a <zone> without them. This would 
be a substantially different use of <zone> than the one described in 
<facsimile>, I think. If the proposal is to use <zone> without 
coordinates, then I think I'd prefer a different element, so that the 
two uses of <zone> don't confuse people.


> The point is how you define block in a way that is different
> from zone? We had to discuss pretty hardly with people to convince them we
> needed<line>  at all and not simply have nested zones, and we only agreed
> because it seemed a more or less a cultural, established mechanism to
> describe manuscripts. I can't see this being true for block, really.
> If I remember correctly zone has a @type so I think<zone
> type="written-block">  vel sim. is perfectly acceptable for me and the
> people involved in the design of this.
> On 31/08/2011 13:10, "Lou Burnard"<lou.burnard at retired.ox.ac.uk>  wrote:
>> It's true that you don't *need*<block>  if you are happy to use<zone>
>> for every chunk of writing identified , but since<zone>  requires you to
>> supply co-ordinate information, it seems desirable to allow for some
>> simpler chunking mechanism within<zone>s.  But it can certainly be
>> withdrawn.
>> On 31/08/11 12:49, Pierazzo, Elena wrote:
>>> Sorry for my absence, I have been away a few days (yes, I know, I'm a
>>> lazy
>>> bastard...).
>>> The passage below makes me wonder: did we really agreed on the creation
>>> of
>>> <block>? I don't seem to recollect it and one for myself I don't agree
>>> that it is necessary. In the proposal we said we would use<zone>   for
>>> this
>>> cases as in the documentary view the transcription happens within
>>> topographical things (sorry, can't think of a better word!) so we have
>>> lines and zones: block seems a bit to content directed and if it is
>>> otherwise topographically directed, then it is a zone... Or am I missing
>>> something?
>>> Elena
>>> On 30/08/2011 18:17, "Lou Burnard"<lou.burnard at retired.ox.ac.uk>   wrote:
>>>> "Where, however, the lineation is
>>>> not considered significant, large groups of tokens may be
>>>> indicated using the<gi>block</gi>   element. The
>>>> <gi>seg</gi>   element described in section<ptr
>>>> target="#SASE"/>   may be used to indicate smaller sequences of tokens
>>>> within<gi>zone</gi>,<gi>line</gi>, or<gi>block</gi>   as appropriate. "
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