[tei-council] genetic draft -- big questions

[Martin Holmes]

On 11-08-22 04:32 AM, Lou Burnard wrote:
> OK, so are people imagining something like
>
> 1.  (teiHeader, facsimile?,  elephant?,  text? )

This is the one for me. I like <facsimile> as it is, nice and simple, 
and I don't want the genetic stuff to replace or remove it.

> or
>
> 2.  (teiHeader, (elephant?, text?)
>
> or
>
> 3. (as 1, but with the proviso that facsimile is deprecated and will
> disappear eventually)
>
> ?
>
> At the moment, of course, the model is
>
> (teiHeader, model.resourceLike*, text? )
>
> and the members of model,resourceLike are fsdDecl and facsimile,
>
> The problem is that both facsimile and elephant need to define surfaces
> and zones, a fiddly and tiresome process which one really does not want
> to do more than necessary.

I guess the problem here would be that if elements are permitted in 
<surface> and <zone> in <elephant>, to enable genetic work, then they'd 
be available within <facsimile>. Is there any way short of schematron to 
prevent this?

Cheers,
Martin

>
>
> On 22/08/11 12:16, Pierazzo, Elena wrote:
>> Good morning Council.
>>
>>
>>> 1. Is this draft headed basically in the right direction? If not, what
>>> are the essential things that must change in it?
>>
>> I think you did a great job, Lou. Thanks a lot for this.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> 2. Should we announce the existence of this draft (AS A DRAFT) to TEI-L
>>>> now, or do some more fiddling with it first?
>>>
>>> You just did, since our archives are public, but in the sense of making
>>> an announcement on TEI-L, I think we should wait until we're all happy
>>> with it.
>>
>> I second Martin: there are a few "elephants" to discuss here before we can
>> formally involve the TEI-L.
>>
>>>
>>>> 3. The draft still uses the name "<facsimile>" for the element which
>>>> contains an document-level tramnscription along with or independent of a
>>>> collection of images. The workgroup specifically said that they didn't
>>>> like this name, and it is also confusing for those who are accustomed to
>>>> the current P5 meaning for<facsimile>    . What name shall we use instead?
>>>> ("elephant" was what we said in Chicago, but I don't think that was a
>>>> serious suggestion).
>>>
>>> I'm still really uncomfortable with mixing the original intent of
>>> <facsimile>   with this new elephant; it seems to me to violate the
>>> separation of concerns. IMHO,<facsimile>   should be restricted to
>>> defining surfaces and zones, and this genetic markup should be placed in
>>> a sibling element; and I still think that<diploma>   is the best
>>> suggestion we had for a tag name.
>>
>> As you know, I think that using<facsimile>   is not an option. Nevertheless
>> a few things happened and I'm now much less inclined toward the name
>> <diploma>, namely I have spoken to the Medievalists: for them the word
>> 'diploma' has a very distinctive meaning and doesn't meant at all 'a
>> document' but a 'very special type of document' and using it has no more
>> sense that using, say, 'charter' or 'letter'. My new proposal is now
>> <sourceDoc>.
>>
>> Re Laurent proposal of a telco: sorry, can't make Friday as I will be on
>> leave.
>> Elena
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for all your work on this, Lou.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Martin
>>>
>>>> There are tons of things wrong with this draft as it currently stands,
>>>> and they won't get better without your help! I need better (clearer)
>>>> examples, I need confirmation that the prose makes sense, I need to be
>>>> quizzed about how the content models are supposed to work.
>>>>
>>>> I'll post a second message listing some of the other specific questions
>>>> that struck me as I was producing this draft in a while...
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