[tei-council] Project Gutenberg

[James Cummings]

On 18/04/11 13:47, Kevin Hawkins wrote:
> Wouldn't their use of an ODD also mean that if they regenerate their
> schema periodically, they will pick up on refinements to the content
> model of elements made by the TEI?  For example, if they use<bibl>  in
> their customization, they would be able to use nested bibls once they
> regenerate due to the recent wise decision of Council.
>
> (If not, then I entirely misunderstand the TEI's customization mechanism!)

Hi Kevin,

The answer is, predictably, "it depends".  In this case, it would 
depend if they defined their ODD by inclusion or exclusion.  The 
older style (exclusion) meant that you said 'give me module A, 
and from it delete element X, Y, and attribute class Z'. Newer 
ODDs are able also to do the reverse (inclusion) which means they 
can say 'from module A give me element B, C, and attribute class 
D'.

In the former case, when TEI adds new elements(etc.) and the 
project regenerates their schema, they will then get these new 
elements because they've not chosen to delete them.  In the 
latter case they will not get these elements because they've not 
chosen to include them.

If you always want to get the latest and greatest additions to 
the TEI, then choosing an ODD by exclusion makes sense. If you 
want to have a very static ODD where only things change when the 
elements you use are changed, then choosing and ODD by inclusion 
makes sense.

Another example of the TEI giving you multiple ways to do things 
and this being useful and powerful. ;-)

-james


> On 4/18/2011 1:04 AM, Laurent Romary wrote:
>> The idea would be to have a way to make those projects maintain their schema in a way which is closer to what the TEI itself does. They could even maintain these on SF. By helping them going this way, we would go in the direction indicated by Martin M. in his talk last week.
>>
>> Le 18 avr. 2011 à 00:25, Lou Burnard a écrit :
>>
>>> We did have quite a bit of discussion with Marcello back in 2006 or 2007
>>> or so, but I haven't heard much from them lately.
>>>
>>> Re-expressing their subset of TEI as an ODD would be a fairly trivial
>>> exercise, but I'm not sure what it would achieve.
>>>
>>> On 17/04/11 17:01, Laurent Romary wrote:
>>>> Would someone already ni close contact with PG be eager to take an informal contact with the guy maintaining the page and see whether he would like having his schema as a P5 ODD, which would also allow him to update some tiny features here and there (like using xml:lang)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 17 avr. 2011 à 17:48, Piotr Bański a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> Regarding the need to secure the choice of TEI as the format of choice
>>>>> in (among others) digitization of literary works, should we not pay
>>>>> special attention to developments such as PGTEI? Project Gutenberg is a
>>>>> very serious and popular initiative, and providing support to it will
>>>>> benefit both sides.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't recall PG being mentioned at TEI-MMs or on TEI-L (may have
>>>>> missed something obvious though). PGTEI appears to be a derived format
>>>>> instead of being an ODD customization -- perhaps all is not lost and we
>>>>> can provide support for PG, in return enlarging the community coverage,
>>>>> with all the related benefits.
>>>>>
>>>>> * http://pgtei.pglaf.org/marcello/0.4/doc/20000-h.html
>>>>> *
>>>>> http://www.gutenbergnews.org/20070402/what-is-pg-tei-and-why-is-it-being-developed/
>>>>> * https://www.stanford.edu/~mjockers/cgi-bin/drupal/node/49
>>>>>
>>>>>    P.
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