[tei-council] Last question about badges

Mon Mar 2 14:04:49 EST 2009

I have asked the designer to prepare a final version with the three
alternate texts as described below; will let everyone know when that is
done, for final approval of the result,

David

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Dan O'Donnell wrote:

> Dear David (and others),
>
> Events took over from my resolve to finish this off on Monday, but nothing has
> changed since then. Since we seem to be split very evenly on the merit of the
> two different approaches, I think we can assume the same thing of our
> potential users for the buttons. So let's go with both a singular and plural
> "I use" set and the "powered by" button.
>
> As you know everybody felt that the first set of buttons were the best. A
> couple of people have mentioned that they liked the way the TEI logo is bigger
> than the bounds of the button on the mockups, and nobody argued against my
> proposal that we ask the designer to emphasise this slightly more by
> increasing the size of the logo on the button.
>
> So, David...
>
> Could you ask the designer
>
> 1) to make up three badges based on the "Powered by < TEI >" example here:
> http://people.virginia.edu/~bc4m/tei/ (i.e. 4th from the top). These should
> contain the text (in each case followed by the TEI logo):
>
> Powered by
> I use
> We use
>
> 2) In making the badges up, to increase the size of the TEI logo so that it
> spills farther over the top and bottom of the button?
>
> Thanks very much!
>
> -dan
>
>
>
> David Sewell wrote:
> > [just back from a brief holiday, hence the late reply]
> >
> > I like this explanation quite well. It serves as good public-relations
> > text in addition to explaining the badges.
> >
> > On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Dan O'Donnell wrote:
> >
> >
> > > In keeping with my last posting on this. How about the following for a
> > > descriptive text for the webpage? I confess I'm now thinking of this
> > > with having both "I/We use" and "Powered by" tag-lines. But there is
> > > nothing in the text that requires this:
> > >
> > >
> > > > <head>Let others know you use the TEI</head>
> > > >
> > > > <p>The Guidelines of the Text Encoding Initiative are now in their
> > > > fifth version. With more than 20 years of work behind them, they are a
> > > > de facto standard in many areas of textual markup. The guidelines are
> > > > used by hundreds of projects around the world. Their use is required
> > > > by many public funding agencies.</p>
> > > >
> > > > <p>Many projects use the TEI Guidelines "behind the scenes" while
> > > > delivering their content to the public using HTML. The following
> > > > buttons provide an easy way of letting others know that an individual,
> > > > group, or project makes use of the TEI Guidelines in its work.
> > > > Publicising your use of the TEI is an important part of ensuring the
> > > > continuing viability of the TEI community and the TEI's profile within
> > > > your discipline. The code snippets associated with each button directs
> > > > users to the TEI website, encouraging your visitors and colleagues to
> > > > investigate the use of the TEI for their own digital work.</p>
> > > >
> > > > <p>In contrast to buttons published by organisations like the W3C,
> > > > these TEI buttons do not make any specific claims about
> > > > <emph>how</emph> the TEI is being used by a project. The TEI is used
> > > > in so many different ways by so many different organisations that it
> > > > would be next-to-impossible to establish a series of buttons
> > > > associated with a specific validation programme or to describe
> > > > specific types of usage. For us, it is enough that you use the TEI in
> > > > your project.</p>
> > > >
> > > > <p>Thank you very much for helping us publicise your participation in
> > > > the TEI community!</p>
> > > >
> > > > {{Buttons and code snippets here}}
> > > >
> > > Dan O'Donnell wrote:
> > >
> > > > After it was suggested to me that we should just say "use" if that's
> > > > what we meant, I wondered if we shouldn't say "This project uses." But
> > > > two issues came up: 1) not all people are projects, and 2) it might be
> > > > too long for the badge. "We" covered both basis, but is not applicable
> > > > if you are a single person. But I can't see any reason why having a
> > > > singular and plural badge would be a problem.
> > > >
> > > > If I've counted aright, we basically split 5 "use" (me, Sebastian,
> > > > Laurent, Elena, Peter) to 5 "powered" (Lou, David, Gabriel, Susan, Dot)
> > > > with 2 people (James and Arianna) equally happy either way. Any last
> > > > thoughts? I'm also happy to write up something covering both themes (Use
> > > > and powered by) keeping Lou's point about it also referring to
> > > > intellectual influence. I can't see how that would cause a problem,
> > > > since the point of the exercise--slapping a TEI badge on projects that
> > > > use it, would be accomplished anyway, and the split in opinion suggests
> > > > that whichever we choose would cause a similar split in understanding in
> > > > the target audience.
> > > >
> > > > -dan
> > > >
> > > > Gabriel Bodard wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > In some cases, wouldn't "project uses" be more appropriate than "site
> > > > > uses"? I guess that is part of my problem with the verb "uses" for
> > > > > this
> > > > > purpose--we're never going to agree on what the subject should be.
> > > > > "Powered by" is nice and generic, and it's what a hundred other badges
> > > > > also say so it's well-understood as well as fairly generic.
> > > > >
> > > > > G
> > > > >
> > > > > James Cummings a écrit :
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I realise that no one wants any more suggestions, but why not 'Site
> > > > > > uses' rather than 'powered by' or 'I/We use'.  Saying the site uses
> > > > > > TEI
> > > > > > is vague and impersonal enough for those who I/We might not be
> > > > > > appropriate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just a thought as it occurs to me, feel free to ignore.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -James
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pierazzo, Elena wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think that "I use" will be better than "powered by", even is
> > > > > > > perhaps it doesn't convey all the meaning Lou was suggesting. I
> > > > > > > think that, being more understated, that will enourage people to
> > > > > > > use it.
> > > > > > > I also agree with James suggestions.
> > > > > > > Elena
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________________
> > > > > > > From: tei-council-bounces at lists.village.Virginia.EDU
> > > > > > > [tei-council-bounces at lists.village.Virginia.EDU] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > Gabriel Bodard [gabriel.bodard at kcl.ac.uk]
> > > > > > > Sent: 19 February 2009 14:52
> > > > > > > To: Lou Burnard
> > > > > > > Cc: TEI Council
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [tei-council] Last question about badges
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I also very much agree that "powered by" is more serious and more
> > > > > > > indiciative of what we mean than "we use". The very fact that we
> > > > > > > can't
> > > > > > > decide between the wording "I use" or "we use" makes me nervous...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > G
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lou Burnard a écrit :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The other way to read "powered by" is with reference to an
> > > > > > > > intellectual
> > > > > > > > rather than an engineering context -- kind of "empowered by".
> > > > > > > > Our site
> > > > > > > > is the way it is because we think TEI.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Susan Schreibman wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I kind of like the 'powered by' rather than 'I use' or 'we
> > > > > > > > > use' -- powered
> > > > > > > > > by makes me think of what lies behind the screen -- the code
> > > > > > > > > that makes it
> > > > > > > > > all happen; powered by sounds significant to me,  active in a
> > > > > > > > > way that a
> > > > > > > > > statement like  'I use' does not
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > just my humble opinion
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ss
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Dan O'Donnell
> > > > > > > > > <daniel.odonnell at uleth.ca>wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I was discussing the badges with somebody here and they made
> > > > > > > > > > what seems
> > > > > > > > > > to me to be a very sensible proposal, that I'm not sure I've
> > > > > > > > > > heard
> > > > > > > > > > before. If the point of the badge is to indicate generally
> > > > > > > > > > that a
> > > > > > > > > > project or person uses TEI, they suggested, why not simply
> > > > > > > > > > have the
> > > > > > > > > > badge say "I use [TEI Logo]" and/or "We use [TEI Logo]"
> > > > > > > > > > instead of
> > > > > > > > > > "Powered by [TEI Logo]" which may or may not be true in one
> > > > > > > > > > or more senses.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I very much like this. But my sense has been at right angles
> > > > > > > > > > to the
> > > > > > > > > > council on this all along, so let me throw it out there to
> > > > > > > > > > be shot down.
> > > > > > > > > > Is there a reason not to ask the designer:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > a) Increase the size of TEI logo on the button by maybe 10%
> > > > > > > > > > so that it
> > > > > > > > > > runs farther over the edge of the button
> > > > > > > > > > b) Change the text to two buttons: "I use [TEI Logo]" and
> > > > > > > > > > "We use [TEI
> > > > > > > > > > Logo]"
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Since this is not rocket science (though getting things
> > > > > > > > > > wrong is
> > > > > > > > > > disproportionately embarrassing), let me ask for comments
> > > > > > > > > > til next
> > > > > > > > > > Monday. At that point, if I don't hear any objections, I'll
> > > > > > > > > > get them up
> > > > > > > > > > on the site.
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