[tei-council] Last question about badges
Dan O'Donnell
daniel.odonnell at uleth.ca
Thu Feb 26 12:20:10 EST 2009
Dear David (and others),
Events took over from my resolve to finish this off on Monday, but
nothing has changed since then. Since we seem to be split very evenly on
the merit of the two different approaches, I think we can assume the
same thing of our potential users for the buttons. So let's go with both
a singular and plural "I use" set and the "powered by" button.
As you know everybody felt that the first set of buttons were the best.
A couple of people have mentioned that they liked the way the TEI logo
is bigger than the bounds of the button on the mockups, and nobody
argued against my proposal that we ask the designer to emphasise this
slightly more by increasing the size of the logo on the button.
So, David...
Could you ask the designer
1) to make up three badges based on the "Powered by < TEI >" example
here: http://people.virginia.edu/~bc4m/tei/ (i.e. 4th from the top).
These should contain the text (in each case followed by the TEI logo):
Powered by
I use
We use
2) In making the badges up, to increase the size of the TEI logo so that
it spills farther over the top and bottom of the button?
Thanks very much!
-dan
David Sewell wrote:
> [just back from a brief holiday, hence the late reply]
>
> I like this explanation quite well. It serves as good public-relations
> text in addition to explaining the badges.
>
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Dan O'Donnell wrote:
>
>
>> In keeping with my last posting on this. How about the following for a
>> descriptive text for the webpage? I confess I'm now thinking of this
>> with having both "I/We use" and "Powered by" tag-lines. But there is
>> nothing in the text that requires this:
>>
>>
>>> <head>Let others know you use the TEI</head>
>>>
>>> <p>The Guidelines of the Text Encoding Initiative are now in their
>>> fifth version. With more than 20 years of work behind them, they are a
>>> de facto standard in many areas of textual markup. The guidelines are
>>> used by hundreds of projects around the world. Their use is required
>>> by many public funding agencies.</p>
>>>
>>> <p>Many projects use the TEI Guidelines "behind the scenes" while
>>> delivering their content to the public using HTML. The following
>>> buttons provide an easy way of letting others know that an individual,
>>> group, or project makes use of the TEI Guidelines in its work.
>>> Publicising your use of the TEI is an important part of ensuring the
>>> continuing viability of the TEI community and the TEI's profile within
>>> your discipline. The code snippets associated with each button directs
>>> users to the TEI website, encouraging your visitors and colleagues to
>>> investigate the use of the TEI for their own digital work.</p>
>>>
>>> <p>In contrast to buttons published by organisations like the W3C,
>>> these TEI buttons do not make any specific claims about
>>> <emph>how</emph> the TEI is being used by a project. The TEI is used
>>> in so many different ways by so many different organisations that it
>>> would be next-to-impossible to establish a series of buttons
>>> associated with a specific validation programme or to describe
>>> specific types of usage. For us, it is enough that you use the TEI in
>>> your project.</p>
>>>
>>> <p>Thank you very much for helping us publicise your participation in
>>> the TEI community!</p>
>>>
>>> {{Buttons and code snippets here}}
>>>
>> Dan O'Donnell wrote:
>>
>>> After it was suggested to me that we should just say "use" if that's
>>> what we meant, I wondered if we shouldn't say "This project uses." But
>>> two issues came up: 1) not all people are projects, and 2) it might be
>>> too long for the badge. "We" covered both basis, but is not applicable
>>> if you are a single person. But I can't see any reason why having a
>>> singular and plural badge would be a problem.
>>>
>>> If I've counted aright, we basically split 5 "use" (me, Sebastian,
>>> Laurent, Elena, Peter) to 5 "powered" (Lou, David, Gabriel, Susan, Dot)
>>> with 2 people (James and Arianna) equally happy either way. Any last
>>> thoughts? I'm also happy to write up something covering both themes (Use
>>> and powered by) keeping Lou's point about it also referring to
>>> intellectual influence. I can't see how that would cause a problem,
>>> since the point of the exercise--slapping a TEI badge on projects that
>>> use it, would be accomplished anyway, and the split in opinion suggests
>>> that whichever we choose would cause a similar split in understanding in
>>> the target audience.
>>>
>>> -dan
>>>
>>> Gabriel Bodard wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> In some cases, wouldn't "project uses" be more appropriate than "site
>>>> uses"? I guess that is part of my problem with the verb "uses" for this
>>>> purpose--we're never going to agree on what the subject should be.
>>>> "Powered by" is nice and generic, and it's what a hundred other badges
>>>> also say so it's well-understood as well as fairly generic.
>>>>
>>>> G
>>>>
>>>> James Cummings a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I realise that no one wants any more suggestions, but why not 'Site
>>>>> uses' rather than 'powered by' or 'I/We use'. Saying the site uses TEI
>>>>> is vague and impersonal enough for those who I/We might not be appropriate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a thought as it occurs to me, feel free to ignore.
>>>>>
>>>>> -James
>>>>>
>>>>> Pierazzo, Elena wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that "I use" will be better than "powered by", even is perhaps it doesn't convey all the meaning Lou was suggesting. I think that, being more understated, that will enourage people to use it.
>>>>>> I also agree with James suggestions.
>>>>>> Elena
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: tei-council-bounces at lists.village.Virginia.EDU [tei-council-bounces at lists.village.Virginia.EDU] On Behalf Of Gabriel Bodard [gabriel.bodard at kcl.ac.uk]
>>>>>> Sent: 19 February 2009 14:52
>>>>>> To: Lou Burnard
>>>>>> Cc: TEI Council
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [tei-council] Last question about badges
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also very much agree that "powered by" is more serious and more
>>>>>> indiciative of what we mean than "we use". The very fact that we can't
>>>>>> decide between the wording "I use" or "we use" makes me nervous...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> G
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lou Burnard a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The other way to read "powered by" is with reference to an intellectual
>>>>>>> rather than an engineering context -- kind of "empowered by". Our site
>>>>>>> is the way it is because we think TEI.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Susan Schreibman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I kind of like the 'powered by' rather than 'I use' or 'we use' -- powered
>>>>>>>> by makes me think of what lies behind the screen -- the code that makes it
>>>>>>>> all happen; powered by sounds significant to me, active in a way that a
>>>>>>>> statement like 'I use' does not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just my humble opinion
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ss
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Dan O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell at uleth.ca>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was discussing the badges with somebody here and they made what seems
>>>>>>>>> to me to be a very sensible proposal, that I'm not sure I've heard
>>>>>>>>> before. If the point of the badge is to indicate generally that a
>>>>>>>>> project or person uses TEI, they suggested, why not simply have the
>>>>>>>>> badge say "I use [TEI Logo]" and/or "We use [TEI Logo]" instead of
>>>>>>>>> "Powered by [TEI Logo]" which may or may not be true in one or more senses.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I very much like this. But my sense has been at right angles to the
>>>>>>>>> council on this all along, so let me throw it out there to be shot down.
>>>>>>>>> Is there a reason not to ask the designer:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a) Increase the size of TEI logo on the button by maybe 10% so that it
>>>>>>>>> runs farther over the edge of the button
>>>>>>>>> b) Change the text to two buttons: "I use [TEI Logo]" and "We use [TEI
>>>>>>>>> Logo]"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since this is not rocket science (though getting things wrong is
>>>>>>>>> disproportionately embarrassing), let me ask for comments til next
>>>>>>>>> Monday. At that point, if I don't hear any objections, I'll get them up
>>>>>>>>> on the site.
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Dr Gabriel BODARD
>>>>>> (Epigrapher & Digital Classicist)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Centre for Computing in the Humanities
>>>>>> King's College London
>>>>>> 26-29 Drury Lane
>>>>>> London WC2B 5RL
>>>>>> Email: gabriel.bodard at kcl.ac.uk
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