[tei-council] Draft of 2008-02-07 conference call minutes

John A. Walsh jawalsh at indiana.edu
Wed Feb 13 16:35:51 EST 2008


And I was a participant.  Maybe David had me confused with Peter,  
although our accents are quite different. :-)

John
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On Feb 13, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Peter Boot wrote:

> I'm surprised at finding my name among the participants, as (as I
> announced) I couldn't take part in the conference call!
>
> Peter
>
> David Sewell schreef:
>> All,
>>
>> Here is a preliminary text version of the minutes, which I'll plug  
>> into
>> the XML template once it is final. Could everyone look it over and
>> provide me with any necessary corrections or additional info? In
>> particular:
>>
>> * search for '??' to see queries, mostly involving email list  
>> ownership
>>
>> * double-check attributions. I may not always have distinguished
>> properly between Lou and Gabriel's voice (and possibly Sebastian  
>> once or
>> twice), or between Paul and Dan. To give me better distinction in
>> regional accents, I no doubt should have asked for ground rules at  
>> the
>> start, e.g. "Lou, can we have you use a broad Scots dialect on this
>> call, and Dan, could you emphasise the Canadian by doing either Bob  
>> and
>> Doug McKenzie or Jean Chrétien, your choice?"
>>
>> David
>>
>> ==============
>>
>> MINUTES OF TEI COUNCIL CONFERENCE CALL, 7 FEBRUARY 2008
>>
>> Called to order 1300 UTC
>>
>> Participants:
>>
>>    Gabriel Bodard (GB), Peter Boot (PB), Arianna Ciula (AC), James  
>> Cummings
>>    (JC), Syd Bauman (SB), Lou Burnard (LB), Dan O'Donnell (DO),  
>> Sebastian
>>    Rahtz (SR), David Sewell (DS; minutes), and Laurent Romary (LR;  
>> Chair).
>>
>> Unable to participate:
>>
>>            Tone Bruvik, Elena Pierazzo, Manfred Thaller, and John  
>> Walsh.
>>
>> 1. Scope of Council Activities
>>
>>    1.1 Technical Activities
>>
>>    1.1.1 Guideline Status
>>
>>    LR asks us to consider the current status of Guidelines. How are  
>> we
>>    handling updates and point releases? SR reminds us that he had  
>> raised the
>>    question of fixed release vs. varying bug-fix releases and had
>>    recommended a 2x per year schedule. GB, AC, and SB agreed that  
>> practice and
>>    consensus was for a fixed timetable. SR notes that the 1.0.1  
>> release is
>>    a "release zero", not a 6-month release. LR concurs: the next  
>> release
>>    will be over the summer, unless serious bugs appear. JC notes that
>>    everyone has access to Sourceforge for intermediate stages.
>>
>>    Should we have "stable/unstable" distinction? It's helpful for  
>> people to
>>    test releases.
>>    GB: there is a fixed date in TEI timetable, the November  
>> meeting. Shall we say
>>    there will always be a pre-release of next major release before  
>> Nov?
>>
>>    JC asks about about numbering of releases, so people can cite the
>>    version of the Guidelines they are using. SR: the only way to do  
>> this is
>>    by release dates, where the date is the version number.  LR  
>> notes that a
>>    release is more than just a source version on SourceForge, it  
>> involves a
>>    lot of checking.  DO asks if someone could just write up a  
>> numbering
>>    language system for us to put on a Web page?  A new version  
>> number will
>>    be added when there is an actual feature/module change, not just  
>> changes
>>    to Guidelines language.
>>
>>    LR: can we stabilize a formulation?
>>
>>       Releases every 6 months; a pre-release before the November
>>       meeting; unstable SourceForge branches are maintained and  
>> identified
>>       by SourceForge revision number. A "release" consists of the
>>       SourceForge update, creation of compiled packages and  
>> schemas, and an
>>       update of the Guidelines (LB).
>>
>>    1.1.2 Bug reporting
>>
>>    LR asks about the current situation with the stability of the
>>    Guidelines? do we still have major bugs, or just tiny issues  
>> over next
>>    months? JC: it's not clear where bug reports are going any more.  
>> LB: it
>>    is clear we want bug reports to go to SourceForge, into the  
>> tracker.
>>    But we haven't agreed on: (1) how to make sure Council provides  
>> input,
>>    or who is responsible; (2) the way to build a workflow to take
>>    suggestions & deal with them.  DO: this will be an important  
>> thing to
>>    discuss in Galway. LB: is this channel best way of soliciting  
>> input? SB:
>>    no, many people are scared by SourceForge. We need to have an  
>> email/list
>>    mechanism. LB: then at the point in discussion where there is  
>> general
>>    agreement, someone needs to write it up as a SourceForge feature
>>    request. LR notes the gap between TEI-L and TEI Council. DO: So  
>> we need
>>    formally to keep an eye on TEI-L, and put into SourceForge bug  
>> reports
>>    and feature requests from there. JC: shouldn't all Council  
>> members do
>>    this?  DO: but it helps to have someone designated. LR agrees;  
>> at the
>>    Member's Meeting, we discussed the dropping of Guideline  
>> "editors", with
>>    work on them organized by Council, but I strongly recommend we  
>> provide
>>    editorial support. We should make sure that Oxford has stable  
>> editorial
>>    support.  DO: the decision was made to increase flexibility, not  
>> to
>>    remove input from the current editors.  There is no mandate for
>>    "editors" in the (TEI Consortium) Bylaws, but we can Bylaws  
>> mandate, but
>>    we can still assign certain tasks as needed.
>>
>>    LR recommends that Board discuss this matter; we need an "air  
>> traffic
>>    controller".
>>
>>    There followed some additional discussion on bug reporting/ 
>> tracking
>>    procedures. DS suggests the possibility of a Wiki area on the  
>> TEI Wiki
>>    for bug discussion. SB suggests having a single email address  
>> for bug
>>    reports. DO objects that this creates multiple unofficial  
>> channels for
>>    bug reports. We don't want multiple lists.  SB replies that  
>> we're going
>>    to have this no matter what. LB replies we can insist on paying
>>    attention only to 2 places and having bug reports sent to  
>> specified
>>    venues. Members disagree over whether that venue should be  
>> SourceForge,
>>    LB arguing yes, SB and AC saying no. JC says that if bugs are to  
>> be
>>    discussed on an email list, surely that should be TEI-L.  AC  
>> notes some
>>    people don't understand the distinctions between the different  
>> venues.
>>    We need a mechanism to facilitate communication for less  
>> technically
>>    adept users. DO asks, why not have a volunteer from Council as
>>    facilitator?
>>
>>    LR: there's a problem with having too many tools. Let's have a  
>> clear
>>    mechanism. TEI-L is a good place for all these discussions; let  
>> us not
>>    have lots of side discussions.
>>
>>    DO(??): Okay, let's use SourceForge as our single location, with
>>    mechanisms for helping people report who don't use SourceForge.  
>> LR:
>>    there should be tutorials on how to report.  If we reduce number  
>> of
>>    tools, people can be more aware of them.
>>
>>    DO: it sounds like we have identified a need for a release  
>> secretary and
>>    a SourceForge secretary, and an editorial support group.
>>
>>    1.2 Outreach, Education
>>
>>    1.2.1 ODD
>>
>>    LR begins by suggesting that "exemplars" and "ODD" are key word  
>> are key
>>    words. One of main ways we can offer entry into the TEI  
>> environment is
>>    by adding ready-made schemas. SR cautions that if we create  
>> exemplars by
>>    committee, it will be difficult to get results. SB says that the  
>> current
>>    crop of exemplars are good for creating ODDs, but not so good for
>>    tackling various tasks. We don't have sample schemas that are  
>> good for
>>    encoding. For example: we don't show how to use constraints. SR  
>> observes
>>    that an exemplar constraining types might not be useful for  
>> individual
>>    needs. TEI Tite and TEI Lite, on the other hand, are intended to  
>> "be
>>    used"; LB concurs that whatever the original intentions behind  
>> Lite
>>    were, it is used as an "off the shelf" product.  GB: we don't want
>>    example ODDs, we want example projects.  Peter Boot notes word
>>    "exemplar" is ambiguous, especially for non-English speakers;  
>> can we
>>    find a better term? [Note from DS: Peter is right, and this is  
>> true in
>>    English as well. The New Oxford Dictionary of English definition  
>> of
>>    "exemplar" is "a person or thing serving as a typical example or
>>    appropriate model". The latter sense is normative; the former is  
>> not.]
>>
>>    LB: this is what the TEI by Example project was supposed to  
>> provide.
>>    Unfortunately it's not doing that. It would be good to have set of
>>    examples of how people have solved things. JC agrees: "case  
>> studies".
>>    PB says this is an issue of the scope of Council: instead of  
>> doing this
>>    ourselves, we should figure out how to liaise w/ other groups  
>> doing
>>    these activities. General agreement.
>>
>>    LR asks, what is status of ODD? Should we focus on improvements  
>> to ODD
>>    features? SB: yes, but we should defer this so we can address  
>> other
>>    issues first. SR agrees; this isn't a core business of Council  
>> in 2008;
>>    we should treat it as a parallel activity. LR objects that this  
>> ODD is
>>    in fact essential to outreach, as many TEI communities can  
>> contribute
>>    via ODD modules. The importance of ODD means it should be on our  
>> agenda
>>    (even if we don't make changes). GB concurs that it may be a  
>> mistake to
>>    segregate ODD activity; customizing TEI is a basic activity. Any
>>    outreach/education will connect with ODD.
>>
>>    SR: We don't want to send the message "here's the language to  
>> use, but
>>    we're going to change it". ODD is unusual because it is tied up  
>> with the
>>    software that implements it.
>>
>>    1.2.2. Other Outreach and Internationalization Goals
>>
>>    LR: Within Council, we should find a way to relate to external  
>> projects
>>    connected with TEI. We will integrate results of other groups;  
>> some of
>>    us will have duties to interact with specific ones. "I see more  
>> and more
>>    requests for short introductions on specific topics and offering
>>    examples." We could provide consultation on these matters.  DO  
>> agrees:
>>    this has always been Council's duty. For example, current funding
>>    proposals before the National Endowment for the Humanities  
>> include two
>>    very TEI-centric projects.
>>
>>    LR: This is true of internationalization also.
>>
>>    Question: how do we identify the groups with which Council should
>>    interact? LR suggests this is part of Council's activity. DO asks
>>    whether we should issue invitations for groups who want Council
>>    involvement. JC notes that when someone comes to TEI-L an asks  
>> "can
>>    someone help me?" we need to provide a name.  DO says this will  
>> become
>>    more and more important in funding projects.
>>
>>    LR concludes: we should systematize the responsibility of these
>>    "corresponding persons". This will be added to the Galway meeting
>>    agenda.
>>
>>    3. Global organization of Council
>>
>>    3.1 Communication
>>
>>    The next discussion involved the TEI's communication platforms,
>>    specifically the TEI website and our mailing lists. LR notes a  
>> need for
>>    Council workgroups or people to oversee both.  The Board has  
>> appointed a
>>    website workgroup that we can provide input to.
>>
>>    LB notes that service over the past year from Council email list  
>> has not
>>    been good; the server has been down too often. JC asks whether it
>>    wouldn't make sense to have all TEI email lists hosted on tei- 
>> c.org?  SB
>>    raises a difficulty: the main list TEI-L is run on commercial  
>> software.
>>    No alternative software that he is aware of supports that level of
>>    service. Can we find open-source software?  LB says that TEI-L is
>>    working fine and is not the issue. But perhaps the tei-council  
>> list
>>    should be moved. Level of service is more important than whether  
>> or not
>>    all the lists are in one place.
>>
>>    LR summarizes that we need to confirm ongoing support for the  
>> lists at
>>    Virginia, or explore the possibility of merging or moving list  
>> hosts.
>>    DS offers to confer with his Virginia colleagues on that status  
>> of the
>>    system hosting the lists. [He reported back that
>>    lists.village.virginia.edu, the host for the TEI Council and  
>> Board email
>>    lists, is indeed in the process of being merged with the new tei- 
>> c.org
>>    host, which will have 24/7 tech support; and the IATH system
>>    administrator is looking into adding full-text search on the tei- 
>> council
>>    list archive.]
>>
>>    3.2 Responsibilities
>>
>>    LR moves on to a discussion of general TEI Consortium  
>> responsibilities
>>    and Council's part in them. DO raises the issue of who "has the  
>> keys" to
>>    different things: who has responsibility, for example, for the
>>    SourceForge repository, for www.tei-c.org., etc?  Should we  
>> survey who
>>    controls the different things we use? LR: Yes. if we know for  
>> example
>>    that U of Virgina has responsibility for the website, we need to  
>> have a
>>    single contact person. Likewise with Oxford's editorial support.  
>> DO: we
>>    don't have a single list of responsibilities. We should maybe put
>>    together before Galway meeting: SourceForge, mailing lists,  
>> website,
>>    Wiki... who has the passwords and oversight. SB agrees that such  
>> an
>>    inventory is important. LR asks that all "keyholders" please  
>> send a note
>>    to DS for inclusion in the minutes.
>>
>>    3.2.1 "Keyholders"
>>
>>    DS received the following information on keyholding  
>> responsibilities for
>>    TEI resources:
>>
>>    Mailing Lists (active):
>>
>>        @ Brown University: Syd Bauman default admin, plus others in
>>        parentheses
>>
>>            TEI-L
>>            TEI-MEET
>>            TEI-MEMBERS (Veronika Lux)
>>            TEI-MS-SIG (Elena Pierazzo)
>>            TEI-MUSIC-SIG (Raffaele Viglianti, Gabriel Board, Dot  
>> Porter)
>>            TEI-OL-SIG (David Durand)
>>            TEI-SIGS (Susan Schreibman)
>>            TEI-SOM (David Durand)
>>
>>        @ Indiana University
>>
>>            TEILIB-L [who is admin??]
>>
>>        @ New York University
>>
>>            tei-presentation [who is admin??]
>>
>>        @ Oxford [who is admin??]
>>
>>            tei-chars
>>            tei-extensions
>>            tei-i18n
>>            tei-iso-fs
>>            tei-meta
>>
>>        @ SourceForge [same admins as SourceForge repository??]
>>
>>            tei-choice
>>            tei-ontology-sig
>>
>>        @ University of Virginia, hosted at IATH (Daniel Pitti),  
>> list admin
>>        David Sewell:
>>
>>            tei-board
>>            tei-council
>>
>>
>>    Membership Database:
>>
>>        Veronica Lux (+ others??). Syd Bauman has r/o access.
>>
>>    Perforce repository (at OUCS):
>>
>>        Lou Burnard, chief administrator; others with r/w access are  
>> Syd
>>        Bauman, James Cummings, Sebastian Rahtz.
>>
>>    Servers:
>>
>>        www.tei-c.org.uk at Oxford, still used for Vault (Sebastian  
>> Rahtz
>>          and Lou Burnard)
>>        tei.oucs.ox.ac.uk, used for test Roma and Guidelines  
>> (Sebastian Rahtz)
>>            -- including Debian repository, administered by  
>> Sebastian Rahtz
>>        www.tei-c.org at U of Virginia, main TEI server,  
>> administered by
>>          Daniel Pitti
>>
>>    SourceForge:
>>
>>        Project admins are Syd Bauman, Lou Burnard, Sebastian  
>> Rahtz.  As of
>>        these minutes, there are a total of 14 developers (with  
>> rights to
>>        update source), list viewable at
>>        https://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php? 
>> group_id=106328.
>>
>>    TEI Live CD source: owned by Sebastian Rahtz
>>
>>    TEI Website (on www.tei-c.org):
>>
>>        administered by Christine Ruotolo. Other people with read/ 
>> write
>>        access to the OpenCMS repository used for the website: Lou  
>> Burnard,
>>        Sebastian Rahtz(??).
>>
>>    TEI Wiki administrators:
>>
>>        James Cummings (Council), Piotr Banski, Kevin Hawkins,  
>> Sebastian
>>        Rahtz. The system administrator in charge is Shayne Brandon  
>> of IATH
>>        at UVa.
>>
>>    4. Preparation for Galway meeting
>>
>>    LR: Dates for the meeting are fixed, April 2-4. On Wednesday the  
>> 2nd
>>    there will be a symposium organized by Malte Rehbein, who has  
>> issued a
>>    Call for Papers. The Council meeting proper will take place on  
>> the 3rd
>>    and 4th.  We don't have a specific plan for Council members to
>>    participate in the symposium, but it is expected that we will  
>> attend and
>>    contribute.  AC says that the organizers are focusing on  
>> presentations
>>    from the Irish TEI community.  They will see how many local
>>    presentations they have and will then ask Council if they need
>>    supplementation. Susan Schreibman is the contact person/ 
>> organizer.  LR
>>    notes that we have a group hotel rate, so no need to worry about
>>    lodging. We'll plan to start the Council meeting early on  
>> Thursday, and
>>    to end by 4 p.m.  Friday afternoon. DO will post to tei-council  
>> about
>>    arrangements.
>>
>>    Information about Council funding of the meeting is on the TEI  
>> Wiki:
>>
>>    http://www.tei-c.org/wiki/index.php/TEI-Council-FAQ#What_funding_is_available_for_Council_Activities.3F
>>
>>
>>
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