possible workgroup (agenda item)

[Burnard Towers]

In my opinion, before answering this question the council needs to address
the wider issue of including other namespaces within TEI, which was raised
briefly at the last meeting.

That's not to say that the idea of producing recommendations on how to
integrate SVG into TEI is not a good one. Au contraire, it's a good one,
which others have already proposed.

I am not sure whether or not Patrick is the right person to chair such a
workgroup. His enthusiasm productivity and expertise are not in doubt, but
he doesn't strike me as having all the diplomacy or eloquence one might wish
for.

<p><p>> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tei-council at lists.village.virginia.edu
> [mailto:owner-tei-council at lists.village.virginia.edu]On Behalf Of John
> Unsworth
> Sent: 09 January 2003 20:47
> To: TEI Council
> Subject: possible workgroup (agenda item)
>
>
> I send this exchange with Patrick Durusau as an agenda item for our
> conference call.  I haven't heard back from Lou or Syd on this yet, but
> I've told Patrick we'd discuss it in the conference call.  He's
> proposing a
> workgroup to revise the P4 chapter on trees and graphs, for P5, focusing
> the revision on integration with SVG.   I'll be looking for your feedback
> on whether this is a good idea, whether Patrick's the right
> person to chair
> it, and so on.
>
> John
>
> >Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 09:56:44 -0500
> >From: Patrick Durusau <pdurusau at emory.edu>
> >Reply-To: pdurusau at emory.edu
> >User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4)
> Gecko/20010914
> >X-Accept-Language: en-us
> >To: John Unsworth <jmu2m at virginia.edu>
> >Subject: Re: TEI plans for 2003, topic maps, check? ;-)
> >
> >
> >John,
> >
> >John Unsworth wrote:
> >
> >>Hi Patrick,
> >>
> >>I've sent mail to Lou and Syd on the question of SVG and the
> trees/graphs
> >>chapter in the guidelines.  There is an overall push to bring
> P5 in line
> >>with recent xml-type standards, and this kind of a revision would fit
> >>with that goal; do  you see any obvious sources of funding for a
> >>workgroup in this area?
> >
> >Don't know how they would react but the W3C would be my first
> stop. Pitch
> >would be getting their standards used in other standards. Probably good
> >for some conference calling support and some of their technical gurus as
> >part of the working group.
> >
> >Otherwise, consider compiling a list of the implementors from:
> >http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/SVG-Implementations.htm8. Pitch
> here would
> >be that they would get greater publicity in the academic market.
> >
> >Do you have some rough guidelines for what it takes to support a working
> >group? Need to have some fixed items and costs so people will know what
> >their $$$ is buying.
> >
> >Big names from the SVG work, would be an obvious drawing card. Dean
> >Jackson spoke at the Unicode conference last Fall and was interested in
> >its use to do Egyptian Hieroglyphics so I suspect he may be a closet
> >academic. ;-)
> >
> >In general I would suggest drawing up a fairly aggressive (and limited)
> >scope for the work on say trees/graphs that would result in high
> >visibility short term results.
> >
> >Oh, ACM, Association of Computing Machinery or IEEE, since they
> both use a
> >lot of graphs/trees in their online publications or even Springer-Verlag
> >(they have used SGML for article/book mss. for years, might be
> interested
> >in incorporating SVG into their DTDs) or others in the STM area.
> >
> >Offer: If you can get someone to put together a rough budget and work
> >plan, I would be willing to put together the start of a contact list,
> >sometimes names and email addresses, sometimes just web addresses of
> >companies,  along with pitch outlines by category for say 50 possible
> >supporters for trees/graphs work by TEI.  After I send you the list, the
> >core TEI group looks to see who knows the people or firms
> listed. (On the
> >premise that personal contacts are more productive than cold calls.) I
> >would be willing to take on up to 15 contacts from the list for
> contacting
> >to support the new working group.
> >
> >Suggested calendar:
> >
> >1. Rough budget and work plan : March 31st (John)
> >
> >2. Rough contact list: March 31st (Patrick)
> >
> >3. Sorted contact list with assignments: April 30th
> (John/Patrick/core group)
> >
> >4. Reveiw contact progress and develop working group announcement: May
> >31st (John/Patrick/core group)
> >
> >5. Announce new working group, sponsors, etc.: June 30th (yes,
> corresponds
> >with end of 2nd quarter) (Consortium, perhaps some public event?)
> >
> >
> >The real trick will be getting one of the principals behind the standard
> >to step up and we can shame the others into joining.
> >
> >>
> >>Thanks for the URL on the topicmap stuff--I have looked at it briefly,
> >>and I'll go back and spend more time on it as soon as I have some.
> >
> >FYI, the lead developer hopes to have it in shape to start
> inviting others
> >on board by late February.
> >
> >>
> >>And on the question of the honoraria for the ETE volume--those checks
> >>should by now be in the mail.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >New Topic:
> >
> >The American Bible Society is at least considering funding some
> major text
> >encoding and tools in the near future. Details are uncertain (at
> best) but
> >may include an annotation tool based solely upon XLink/XPointer.
> (Yes, you
> >can assume that Steve DeRose will be leading that effort.) Might be some
> >wiggle room to get some support for redrafting of the relevant sections
> >for P5 into that overall effort. Too early to tell but I will
> keep you advised.
> >
> >Hope the New Year is off to a great start!
> >
> >Patrick
> >
> >>
> >>John
> >
> >
> >--
> >Patrick Durusau
> >Director of Research and Development
> >Society of Biblical Literature
> >pdurusau at emory.edu
> >
> >
> >
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