Re: Masculinity/John Wayne/Antiwar protest (multiple responses)

Sun, 26 Oct 1997 02:34:01 -0500


Subject: Re: Fw: Masculinity/John Wayne/Antiwar protest


A booklength study that you should not neglect is Susan Jeffords,
(Bloomington and Indianapolis, IN: Indiana University Press, 1989).

A useful essay is Michael Anderegg, "Hollywood and Vietnam: John
Wayne and Jane Fonda as Discourse," in Michael Anderegg, ed.,
Temple University Press, 1991), pp. 15-32.

Best of luck with what sounds like an interesting study.

Justin Gustainis
Department of Communication


Subject: Re: Fw: Masculinity/John Wayne/Antiwar protest

In reply to Ms. Manning's quiry, I would say that there is quite alot
of material on this broad and complex subject. I believe it would be
better and more efficient if you would say what you HAVE examined so
far rather than the other way around. For example, how much Susan
Jeffords have you read, have you talked to Kali Tal or read any of her
writing, have you seen the Gender issue of Viet Nam Generation.

I could probably suggest a dozen things but I don't want to go through
making citations if you have seen them already.

John Baky


From: "drieux, just drieux" <>
Subject: Re: Fw: Masculinity/John Wayne/Antiwar protest

one place you should stop along the way is

Warrior Dreams

and you might look at

Achilles in Vietnam
jonathan shay

sorry, no ISBN right now, the books are at
work so I can not pull down the specifics.

synopis of these is that they deal with the
transition of american male identity in the
'post vietnam' era. I do not believe that anyone
has yet really done any decent studies on the
need to address 'masculine' image from the 'male side'
of the equation. Much of what I have seen in the last
twenty years has either been 'men doing feminism' or
'feminist critiques of male dominant cultural paradigm'.

We have, though, the challange of the 'promise keepers'
as a question mark over whether or not we really can
finally escape back to the mythological era of the fifties
and act as if the sixties never happened. The alternative
'drum beating' schticht has not been very useful for many
of us from the WarMongerBabyKillerKabalOfNotReallyButchEnoughToBeThrilledAboutPlayingNearTowardsWar
since we have done our wars, and are not too impressed with
them as a viable long term social model.

If there is a 'hole' in the reality of the sixties cultural
paradigm shifting, it really is this lack of working out how
to be just a plain old fashion vanilla het male. I look at this
problem from the perspective of what I want to pass along to
my son as guidance, and to my daughter on what to do with males.
But so far there just does not seem to be any substantive body
of works on what being 'just male' is all about.


Date: 10/19/97
Time: 14:00:59


From: Joe McDonald <>
Subject: Re: Fw: Masculinity/John Wayne/Antiwar protest

HOME FROM THE WAR, VIETNAM VETERANS Neither Victims nor Executioners, by
Robert Jay Lifton, Chapter 8. "Transformation I:From John Wayne to
Country Joe and the Fish". cheerz, cjm

"A captain with a childs heart always commands a happy crew", Linda
country joe Hm Paje <> 
Berkeley Vietnam Veterans Memorial <>


From: (James L. Wood) Subject: Re: Fw: Masculinity/John Wayne/Antiwar protest

Keri: Take a look at Norma Wikler's "Vietnam and the Veterans' Consciousness" in James L. Wood and Maurice Jackson, Social Movements: Development, Participation, and Dynamics (Belmont, CA: Wadsworth), Chapter Ten. Also, you can probably get from interlibrary loan her Ph.D. dissertation at UC Berkely, Dept. of Sociology, around 1972-3, which is a lengthy analysis of this topic. Good luck, Jim Wood



From: Andrew Hunt <> Subject: Re: Fw: Masculinity/John Wayne/Antiwar protest

Hi Kerry,

I wrote my Ph.D. dissertation on VVAW, so I'm relatively familiar with the literature out there on the subject. You may have already encountered Robert Jay Lifton's work (most notably "Home From the War"). He deals with masculinity and the John Wayne image quite a bit. I interviewed Lifton and he's quite accessible and generous with his time. There are also lots of references to machismo and masculinity in the transcripts of the Winter Soldier Investigation, though I would stay away from the 1972 book published by Beacon Press (which is totally useless). The transcripts (I should say most of the transcripts) of the investigation were published in the Congressional Record (April 6, 1971). There were some omissions in the Congressional Record that can be found in the VVAW files at the State Historical Society of Wisconsin that may be of use. Audio tapes of the hearings are available from the Pacifica Radio Archives (I don't have their address; a Web search might reveal their location).

Other works that might raise some of the issues you're looking for include: Daniel Lang's "Patriotism without Flags"; Arthur Egendorf's "Healing from the War"; and Rich Moser's "The New Winter Soldiers."

Good luck. If I think of more titles, I'll send them your way.


Andrew Hunt ( Department of History University of Waterloo Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3G1