dhcs: minutes

From: Andrea K. Laue (akl3s@cms.mail.virginia.edu)
Date: Thu Mar 07 2002 - 15:36:48 EST

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    Date: 6 March 2002
    Topics: "Information Communities" and "Digitization and Sampling"
    Leaders: Chris Ruotolo and Geoffrey Rockwell

    Information Communities

    CR: UVa library working on LOFT -- Library of Tomorrow. One of the first
    projects will be (virtual) information communities, one in American
    Studies and one in Tibetan Studies. 5 model communities: Tibetan and
    Himalayan Community; American Studies Community; Poetry; Modeling
    Virginia; Architecture.

    Right now, definitions of "information communities" still being debated.
    Other terms: knowledge communities; information ecologies. Emphasis
    shifts between people, resources, medium.

    What are examples of information communities? humanist? goecities?
    traditional libraries?

    ask Chris to email report.

    Information Ecology: full of organic metaphors; keystone species--a few
    bedrock things in place will foster the "natural" growth of other pieces

    Collection of tools--text analysis, communication, teaching.

    BN: Value-added seems to be from the community.

    BR: Another goal is to make American Studies a full-fledged program. And
    this information community fits in this.

    JU: Current grant-funded project that is generating an annotated
    bibliography of current American Studies resources. This project will
    culminate in meeting of representatives from American Studies programs
    from all over the world. This census of resources might be used to direct
    the activities of the information community/portal.

    GR: A community is a political body. It has forms of organization. How
    does this apply in the case of Web-based information communities? Is
    there an applied organization here?

    In the case of Web-based information communities, we try to hide the
    administration. We disguise the administration, the politics. Is this
    being addressed in these new communities.

    CR: Participation is democratic; contribution or generation or filtering
    of resources is not democratic. There will be a committee of librarians
    and professors that perform these functions. There will be an explicit
    hierarchy or decision-making tree. Lots of this has to do with
    resources--how and where do we spend limited resources?

    JM: Tension being generated here--conflict between departments and
    libraries. If these communities live in libraries, they will "suck"
    resources and people from departments. This will cause problems later on.

    JU: Let's return to the question of "what does this have to do with a KR
    course." I'll propose another definition for information communities:
    group of people with a shared ontology; group of people who *think*
    they're talking about the same thing. In this sense, a portal is really a
    perspective. A view on a set of resources. This is also convenient from
    a technological perspective--we can use topic maps, etc.

    GR: What tools do you see as being specific to community-building? What
    tools do you see in the American Studies information commmunity?

    CR: tools that foster communication: discussion lists; chat clients;
    conferences; 24-hour expert.

    analytical tools: image-annotation tools; text analysis tools.

    JU: Many of these activities resemble journal publishing. Will these
    communities publish journals?

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    Digitization and Sampling

    Geoff distributes handout. Copied below.

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    Digitization - Outline
    Knowledge Representation and the place of Digitization

    Data = something given for computer processing
    Information = Data in a context so that it can be understood and verified
    Knowledge = Information possessed by human
    Wisdom = Knowledge that makes an ethical difference

    Senses of Digitization
    1. The process of representing an analogue work in digital form
    (scanning?)

    2. Sampling and Quantizing

    3. More generally, the representing of knowledge in digital form
            a. Choice of what to digitize
            b. Loss of information

    Digital Form
    1. "Digital" = Discrete, Quantitative (Numeric?), Binary Data

    2. Inscribed data that can be accesses and processed by a computer

    3. Information in a formal language (discrete, unambiguous codes,
    finite code set) that can be processed by a computer

    4. System capable of reliable representation suitable for human access

    Advantages
    1. Digital media can represent other media. Thus text, images, audio,
    video, and 3-D spaces can be represented by digital code on a
    computer.

    2. Digital media can be manipulated using computer processes. Because
    the digital is numeric (each digit is a discrete number), we can use
    mathematical processes to manipulate digital media. These processes
    are called algorithms.

    3. Digital media can be stored, accessed and copied without loss of
    quality. Because the digital is discrete and numeric, copies can be
    mathematically compared to ensure that they are numerically
    identical. This is one of the advantages of using a formal language
    to represent information.
            a. Therefore, there is no authentic original to digital media,
            there are only conditions for representation.
            b. Therefore, there is no material presence to digital media only
            the representation through an output device.

    4. Digital media can be transmitted quickly (over networks) without
    loss of quality. This is one of the ways we can process digital media.
            a. Thus digital works have no physical location.

    5. Digital media can be combined into multimedia works. Since all
    digital media are sequences of bits they can be combined into
    meta-media works.

    6. Digitized media can be converted to other media. A text can be
    converted to an audio stream and so on. Such conversion is another
    way you can manipulate the digital.

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    GR: My thesis -- there is a physical presence to the digital that the
    culture of computing brackets in order to talk about the digital as
    logical. Many of the supposed advantages and disadvantages of the digital
    (as compared to the analogue) come from comparing the analogue as physical
    to the digital as logical.

    GR: knowledge representation = information and context; artifacts
    plus contextual knowledge

    Digitization is first step in knowledge representation, is creating the
    artifacts, but digitization already involves knowledge--choices made in
    process of digitization.

    When digitizing, no way to avoid losing information. But choosing which
    information to lose is part of the application of knowledge.

    SR: I'm not so happy with the use of "numeric" and "discrete" here.
    Calculus describes non-discrete (continuous) phenomena using numbers.

    GR: Right, maybe the distinction should be between continuous and
    discontinuous. A slide rule would be an example of a calculation device
    that uses continuous representation. The discontinuous requires a
    choice--what to keep and what to lose.

    JU: Replace analog with continuous and digital with discrete?

    SR: But the electricity below it all in a computer is continuous.

    GR: Exactly. So what I'm really interested in is how we choose levels for
    discussing these artifacts. Why do we talk about digital as a logical
    structure and a book as an analog structure?

    One possible origin: early 20th-century philosophers and mathematicians
    working on "useless" logical and mathematical formalisms. Then suddenly
    it was discovered that these discoveries could compose a system, could be
    made useful. Maybe this is why we still focus on the logical.

    These mathematicians and philosophers were looking to create a universal
    language, to elide differences.

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    Geoff adds in post-session email:

    [My thesis] led to a discussion of the analogue and problems around the
    distinction between digital and analogue - a discussion that reopened the
    question of what the digital is in a way that might be useful for students
    to tackle in the DH program. I argued that one goal of this module should
    be making the digital (and digitization) strange so that students rethink
    their assumptions about what appears to be the most obvious dimensions of
    computing through such a discussion of what are the differences between
    digital media and other media, forms of information, and codes.

    I should add that I am trying to articulate this thesis in a paper which I
    would be happy to circulate once it is worthy.



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