[tei-council] idno -> ptr

Thu Jun 20 11:55:28 EDT 2013

I do want to raise one small quibble that doesn't likely affect implementing the ticket, but which I think should be kept in mind for the future. It *is* possible to have an HTTP URI which is also an identifier, and in that case, I'd argue for keeping it in <idno>. I doubt there are any examples in the Guidelines, but it's the kind of thing we may see more of as Linked Data picks up steam. For example, the URI http://papyri.info/biblio/8276/ref denotes an actual book, and resolves to http://papyri.info/biblio/8276, which is a bibliographic record. Worldcat ids, like http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/185922478 function in the same way, and I can easily see people wanting to use them inside <bibl>s.  I would. Maybe some thinking about the appropriate @type to use for these is warranted...

Hugh

On Jun 20, 2013, at 10:11 , Syd Bauman <Syd_Bauman at Brown.edu> wrote:

> I went to process my assigned task from the minutes of our April
> meeting, "remove our own dis-recommended use of <idno> in the
> bibliography". Supposedly this is because we "agreed that these fixes
> need to be made. <idno> wrapped in <analytic>, <monogr> <series>,
> will change @type="url" to <ref>".
> 
> However, we have no <idno type='url'> wrapped in <analytic>,
> <monogr>, or <series> in the Guidelines. (Neither in main TEI
> namespace nor in Examples namespace.) We do have dozens of 'em
> directly inside <biblStruct>, and I think the same logic applies:
> those that are pointing to a web page should be <ptr> (or <ref>, but
> see [1]), not <idno>.
> 
> So I went through the list of 'em. The vast majority obviously point
> to a page (e.g., end in ".html"), so I consider those candidates for
> conversion. I took a look at the 37 of them that were not obvious at
> a glance, running `wget` on each of them. 30 fetched a file (not
> surprisingly, most of which were named "index.html" :-).
> 
> However, 7 did not resolve to a file, but rather gave an error of
> some sort (see [2] for details). What I've done for now is turn *all*
> of the <idno type='url'> into <ptr>, adding a subtype="winita" (work
> is needed in this area) attribute to the 7 that do not resolve
> properly. I'm hoping someone will volunteer to track 'em down and fix
> 'em before next week.
> 
> NOTE: Since I cannot build P5 here (I'm at the ambulance station
> today and only have my Mac, not a Debian-based system), I probably
> won't check this in until after I can check it later tonight.
> 
> Notes
> -----
> [1] Actually, <ptr> will do just as well as <ref>, and the only one
>    example I found that is already a <ptr> or <ref> is a <ptr>.
>    Since
>    I have no content to dream up to put inside <ref>, I'll use <ptr>
>    for now. If & when we dream up content we can use <ref>.
> 
> [2] Output form `wget` on each of the 7 problematic URLs follows.
> 
>    ---------http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS21/:
>    --2013-06-20 09:30:44--  http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS21/
>    Resolving www.w3.org... 128.30.52.37
>    Connecting to www.w3.org|128.30.52.37|:80... connected.
>    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
>    2013-06-20 09:30:45 ERROR 404: Not Found.
> 
>    ---------http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=963653:
>    --2013-06-20 09:30:45--
>    --http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=963653
>    Resolving portal.acm.org... 64.238.147.56, 64.238.147.53
>    Connecting to portal.acm.org|64.238.147.56|:80... connected.
>    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
>    Location: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=963653 [following]
>    --2013-06-20 09:30:45--  http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=963653
>    Resolving dl.acm.org... 64.238.147.56, 64.238.147.53
>    Connecting to dl.acm.org|64.238.147.56|:80... connected.
>    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
>    2013-06-20 09:30:45 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
> 
>    ---------http://ota.ahds.ac.uk/documents/creating/:
>    --2013-06-20 09:30:45--
>    --http://ota.ahds.ac.uk/documents/creating/
>    Resolving ota.ahds.ac.uk... 163.1.0.23
>    Connecting to ota.ahds.ac.uk|163.1.0.23|:80... connected.
>    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
>    2013-06-20 09:30:46 ERROR 404: Not Found.
> 
>    ---------http://hdl.handle.net/1956/1875:
>    --2013-06-20 09:30:46--  http://hdl.handle.net/1956/1875
>    Resolving hdl.handle.net... 38.100.138.166, 38.100.138.165,
>    --132.151.9.184, ...
>    Connecting to hdl.handle.net|38.100.138.166|:80... connected.
>    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 303 See Other
>    Location: http://bora.uib.no/handle/1956/1875 [following]
>    --2013-06-20 09:30:46--  http://bora.uib.no/handle/1956/1875
>    Resolving bora.uib.no... 129.177.6.72, 2001:700:200:6::72
>    Connecting to bora.uib.no|129.177.6.72|:80... connected.
>    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
>    Location: https://bora.uib.no/handle/1956/1875 [following]
>    --2013-06-20 09:30:47--  https://bora.uib.no/handle/1956/1875
>    Connecting to bora.uib.no|129.177.6.72|:443... connected.
>    ERROR: cannot verify bora.uib.no's certificate, issued by
>    --`/C=NL/O=TERENA/CN=TERENA SSL CA':
>      Self-signed certificate encountered.
>    To connect to bora.uib.no insecurely, use
>    --`--no-check-certificate'.
>    ---------http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=827192:
>    --2013-06-20 09:30:47--
>    --http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=827192
>    Resolving portal.acm.org... 64.238.147.56, 64.238.147.53
>    Connecting to portal.acm.org|64.238.147.56|:80... connected.
>    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
>    Location: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=827192 [following]
>    --2013-06-20 09:30:47--  http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=827192
>    Resolving dl.acm.org... 64.238.147.56, 64.238.147.53
>    Connecting to dl.acm.org|64.238.147.56|:80... connected.
>    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
>    2013-06-20 09:30:47 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
> 
>    ---------http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/BODY_AE038:
>    --2013-06-20 09:30:47--  http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/BODY_AE038
>    Resolving edis.ifas.ufl.edu... 128.227.242.126
>    Connecting to edis.ifas.ufl.edu|128.227.242.126|:80... connected.
>    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
>    Location: /body_ae038 [following]
>    --2013-06-20 09:30:48--  http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/body_ae038
>    Reusing existing connection to edis.ifas.ufl.edu:80.
>    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
>    2013-06-20 09:30:48 ERROR 404: Not Found.
> 
>    ---------http://www.cta.dmu.ac.uk:8000/AnaServer?teidoc+0+start.anv:
>    --2013-06-20 09:30:48--
>    --http://www.cta.dmu.ac.uk:8000/AnaServer?teidoc+0+start.anv
>    Resolving www.cta.dmu.ac.uk... 146.227.164.96
>    Connecting to www.cta.dmu.ac.uk|146.227.164.96|:8000... failed:
>    --Connection refused.
> 
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