[tei-council] idno -> ptr

Thu Jun 20 11:32:51 EDT 2013

Below ...

On 6/20/13 10:11 AM, Syd Bauman wrote:
> I went to process my assigned task from the minutes of our April
> meeting, "remove our own dis-recommended use of <idno> in the
> bibliography". Supposedly this is because we "agreed that these fixes
> need to be made. <idno> wrapped in <analytic>, <monogr> <series>,
> will change @type="url" to <ref>".
>
> However, we have no <idno type='url'> wrapped in <analytic>,
> <monogr>, or <series> in the Guidelines. (Neither in main TEI
> namespace nor in Examples namespace.) We do have dozens of 'em
> directly inside <biblStruct>, and I think the same logic applies:
> those that are pointing to a web page should be <ptr> (or <ref>, but
> see [1]), not <idno>.

That's right.  The <idno>s are currently children of <biblStruct>, but 
per https://sourceforge.net/p/tei/bugs/448/ , we need to move these to 
be children of <analytic>, <monogr>, or <series>.

In the minutes, it looks like we decided that you would move the <idno>s 
and then I would go through and change these <idno>s to either <ptr> or 
<ref> as appropriate.  On the other hand, my comment on the ticket (made 
during the meeting) implies that I would do the whole thing.  Splitting 
the work between the two of us feels unnecessary for a task that's not 
especially complicated.  I'm happy for you to do the whole thing.

> So I went through the list of 'em. The vast majority obviously point
> to a page (e.g., end in ".html"), so I consider those candidates for
> conversion. I took a look at the 37 of them that were not obvious at
> a glance, running `wget` on each of them. 30 fetched a file (not
> surprisingly, most of which were named "index.html" :-).
>
> However, 7 did not resolve to a file, but rather gave an error of
> some sort (see [2] for details). What I've done for now is turn *all*
> of the <idno type='url'> into <ptr>, adding a subtype="winita" (work
> is needed in this area) attribute to the 7 that do not resolve
> properly. I'm hoping someone will volunteer to track 'em down and fix
> 'em before next week.

Ah, well, it looks like you're doing the whole thing anyway!

These generally appear to be dead links.  We probably should build link 
checking into the build process so we catch these on a regular basis and 
try to find where the document has moved to.  But if the document has 
disappeared, I think that at that point we just put the URL in as 
content without any <ptr/> or <ref> surrounding it (so people won't 
bother clicking).

> NOTE: Since I cannot build P5 here (I'm at the ambulance station
> today and only have my Mac, not a Debian-based system), I probably
> won't check this in until after I can check it later tonight.
>
> Notes
> -----
> [1] Actually, <ptr> will do just as well as <ref>, and the only one
>      example I found that is already a <ptr> or <ref> is a <ptr>.
>      Since
>      I have no content to dream up to put inside <ref>, I'll use <ptr>
>      for now. If & when we dream up content we can use <ref>.
>
> [2] Output form `wget` on each of the 7 problematic URLs follows.
>
>      ---------http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS21/:
>      --2013-06-20 09:30:44--  http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS21/
>      Resolving www.w3.org... 128.30.52.37
>      Connecting to www.w3.org|128.30.52.37|:80... connected.
>      HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
>      2013-06-20 09:30:45 ERROR 404: Not Found.
>
>      ---------http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=963653:
>      --2013-06-20 09:30:45--
>      --http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=963653
>      Resolving portal.acm.org... 64.238.147.56, 64.238.147.53
>      Connecting to portal.acm.org|64.238.147.56|:80... connected.
>      HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
>      Location: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=963653 [following]
>      --2013-06-20 09:30:45--  http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=963653
>      Resolving dl.acm.org... 64.238.147.56, 64.238.147.53
>      Connecting to dl.acm.org|64.238.147.56|:80... connected.
>      HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
>      2013-06-20 09:30:45 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
>
>      ---------http://ota.ahds.ac.uk/documents/creating/:
>      --2013-06-20 09:30:45--
>      --http://ota.ahds.ac.uk/documents/creating/
>      Resolving ota.ahds.ac.uk... 163.1.0.23
>      Connecting to ota.ahds.ac.uk|163.1.0.23|:80... connected.
>      HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
>      2013-06-20 09:30:46 ERROR 404: Not Found.
>
>      ---------http://hdl.handle.net/1956/1875:
>      --2013-06-20 09:30:46--  http://hdl.handle.net/1956/1875
>      Resolving hdl.handle.net... 38.100.138.166, 38.100.138.165,
>      --132.151.9.184, ...
>      Connecting to hdl.handle.net|38.100.138.166|:80... connected.
>      HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 303 See Other
>      Location: http://bora.uib.no/handle/1956/1875 [following]
>      --2013-06-20 09:30:46--  http://bora.uib.no/handle/1956/1875
>      Resolving bora.uib.no... 129.177.6.72, 2001:700:200:6::72
>      Connecting to bora.uib.no|129.177.6.72|:80... connected.
>      HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
>      Location: https://bora.uib.no/handle/1956/1875 [following]
>      --2013-06-20 09:30:47--  https://bora.uib.no/handle/1956/1875
>      Connecting to bora.uib.no|129.177.6.72|:443... connected.
>      ERROR: cannot verify bora.uib.no's certificate, issued by
>      --`/C=NL/O=TERENA/CN=TERENA SSL CA':
>        Self-signed certificate encountered.
>      To connect to bora.uib.no insecurely, use
>      --`--no-check-certificate'.
>      ---------http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=827192:
>      --2013-06-20 09:30:47--
>      --http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=827192
>      Resolving portal.acm.org... 64.238.147.56, 64.238.147.53
>      Connecting to portal.acm.org|64.238.147.56|:80... connected.
>      HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
>      Location: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=827192 [following]
>      --2013-06-20 09:30:47--  http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=827192
>      Resolving dl.acm.org... 64.238.147.56, 64.238.147.53
>      Connecting to dl.acm.org|64.238.147.56|:80... connected.
>      HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
>      2013-06-20 09:30:47 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
>
>      ---------http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/BODY_AE038:
>      --2013-06-20 09:30:47--  http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/BODY_AE038
>      Resolving edis.ifas.ufl.edu... 128.227.242.126
>      Connecting to edis.ifas.ufl.edu|128.227.242.126|:80... connected.
>      HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
>      Location: /body_ae038 [following]
>      --2013-06-20 09:30:48--  http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/body_ae038
>      Reusing existing connection to edis.ifas.ufl.edu:80.
>      HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
>      2013-06-20 09:30:48 ERROR 404: Not Found.
>
>      ---------http://www.cta.dmu.ac.uk:8000/AnaServer?teidoc+0+start.anv:
>      --2013-06-20 09:30:48--
>      --http://www.cta.dmu.ac.uk:8000/AnaServer?teidoc+0+start.anv
>      Resolving www.cta.dmu.ac.uk... 146.227.164.96
>      Connecting to www.cta.dmu.ac.uk|146.227.164.96|:8000... failed:
>      --Connection refused.
>
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