[tei-council] Approval of SIG for Computer-Mediated Communication.

[Brett Barney]

James,

Along with others who have responded, I think this is a positive development. 

Tiny edit: Could "At this point" change to "At that point"?

Brett

On Apr 4, 2013, at 11:30 AM, James Cummings wrote:

> 
> Assuming silence is assent I'll reply tomorrow (giving time for 
> any other voices who want to speak up in the meantime) with 
> something like the following:
> 
> ===
> The TEI Technical Council approves your application for a TEI SIG 
> for Computer-Mediated Communication but in order to give you time 
> to formulate the initial proposals which will be presented to the 
> TEI Community the Technical Council is willing to post-date this 
> approval until 26 August 2013 (about 6 weeks before the TEI 
> Conference).  At this point, unless the proposal for the SIG has 
> changed significantly, it will be approved by the Technical 
> Council Chair. From then on the TEI would request that all work 
> done by the SIG be done so openly and anyone is allowed to join 
> the SIG mailing lists, etc. The TEI is willing to provide mailing 
> lists, web space, wiki space, and meeting space at the Conference 
> to any approved SIG.
> ===
> 
> -James
> 
> On 04/04/13 17:18, Kevin Hawkins wrote:
>> Okay, I'm fine with this plan!
>> 
>> On 4/4/2013 12:17 PM, James Cummings wrote:
>>> 
>>> If they post any FRs prior to becoming a SIG then they do so as
>>> private individuals not representing a SIG.  If they do so after
>>> they are a SIG then they can certainly claim they are
>>> representing the SIG (but of course still have to do so as
>>> individuals since that is how SF works).
>>> 
>>> Anything we give them (e.g. space at the conference) will be
>>> contingent on them already being an open SIG.
>>> 
>>> -James
>>> 
>>> On 04/04/13 17:07, Martin Holmes wrote:
>>>> I took this to mean that the act of posting the FRs would be the
>>>> catalyst for discussion. Not that no-one else would be able to join
>>>> prior to that, just that it wouldn't be exactly clear what they'd be
>>>> joining. Once they're a SIG and they have a mailing list, won't anyone
>>>> be able to join? In other words, don't they open themselves up just by
>>>> the act of becoming a SIG?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Martin
>>>> 
>>>> On 13-04-04 08:05 AM, James Cummings wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've fed back this objection (and linked to this post on the open
>>>>> TEI Council Archives as a demonstration of precisely the openness
>>>>> you're requesting), and will forward any response I get.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> -James
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 04/04/13 14:54, Kevin Hawkins wrote:
>>>>>> The proposal, on p.2 under "Members of the core group:", says that the
>>>>>> core group will put their feature requests in SourceForge and then open
>>>>>> up discussion.  I take that to mean that they won't have an open list
>>>>>> that others can join until they pull together these proposals.  I'm not
>>>>>> thrilled about this.  While I have no problem with a group of people
>>>>>> formulating proposals on their own and submitting them to SF without
>>>>>> advertising their intentions in advance, I don't think the TEI-C should
>>>>>> sponsor a SIG that works in a closed way.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> James, could you ask them to clarify this statement?  Maybe I'm
>>>>>> misunderstanding how they want to work.  I would actually be fine if
>>>>>> that "core group" put in their proposals and THEN we established the SIG
>>>>>> to foster any discussion of the feature requests that people don't want
>>>>>> to have on the SF tickets, or to discuss proposals additional feature
>>>>>> requests that the core group didn't think of.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 4/4/2013 8:49 AM, Martin Holmes wrote:
>>>>>>> This SIG looks great to me. They make a good case for the need they're
>>>>>>> addressing, they know how they want to address it, they have good
>>>>>>> collaborative links with other groups, and they're well organized. An
>>>>>>> enthusiastic yes from me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 13-04-04 03:01 AM, James Cummings wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dear TEI Technical Council,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You may have noticed that in the agenda for the council meeting I added a:
>>>>>>>> Approval of TEI-SIG for "Computer-Mediated Communication", but it occurs
>>>>>>>> to me that this could probably just be done on the mailing list.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Find attached (if the mailing list allows attachments, I've forgotten) a
>>>>>>>> SIG proposal for a TEI SIG on computer-mediated communication. They also
>>>>>>>> have a panel proposed for the TEI Conference (also attached).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You may also remember their article in Issue 3 of the jTEI
>>>>>>>> http://jtei.revues.org/476 coming out of their paper at the TEI
>>>>>>>> conference in 2011.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I can see no reason why we'd want to prevent formation of this SIG in
>>>>>>>> any way as it doesn't significantly overlap with any of the existing
>>>>>>>> SIGs. The purpose of the SIG is specifically to develop feature requests
>>>>>>>> after discussion and investigation and present these to the council
>>>>>>>> which is exactly the process we'd like SIGs to undertake. The precise
>>>>>>>> proposals will be judged on their merits when they appear, though of
>>>>>>>> course interested Council members are encouraged to join the SIG if we
>>>>>>>> approve it. (And this reminds me that I should be editing
>>>>>>>> http://www.tei-c.org/Activities/SIG/rules.xml to reflect the removal of
>>>>>>>> the SIG Coordinator role and its duties having been merged into the
>>>>>>>> Council Chair's.)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any one have any comments on the approval or not of
>>>>>>>> this SIG?  If we agree it beforehand then that is one less item we need
>>>>>>>> to discuss at the meeting.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -James
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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Brett Barney
Associate Research Professor
Center for Digital Research in the Humanities
bbarney2 at unl.edu