[tei-council] signed/list (fwd)
Paul F. Schaffner
PFSchaffner at umich.edu
Mon Apr 16 19:08:18 EDT 2012
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Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:33:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Paul F. Schaffner <PFSchaffner at umich.edu>
To: Lou Burnard <lou.burnard at retired.ox.ac.uk>
Cc: "tei-council at lists.village.virginia.edu"
<tei-council at lists.village.virginia.edu>
Subject: Re: [tei-council] signed/list
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011, Lou Burnard wrote:
> Hi Paul
>
> On 19/11/11 00:02, Paul F. Schaffner wrote:
>
>> -- to be honest, the 'narrow' definition just doesn't make
>> any sense to me, for reasons I have explained before,
>> and virtually impossible to apply.
>
> I'm curious as to what makes you say that, and apologetic for having
> forgotten your previous explanation.
Lou,
My difficulty was that I could find no ready way
to distinguish -- or rationale for distinguishing --
those phrases descriptive of the signer which belonged
in signed from those that did not.
Here is a reprint of part of my message on the subject
from September of 2010, which I think explains the problem
as I saw it.
---snip---
I think there were a few factors ...
that led to our interpretation of <signed> as a container
for all the 'yours truly' sort of phrases (to my mind, 'signing
phrases,' not 'greeting phrases'). The most important
was perhaps that in writing instructions for data-conversion
firms, I could find no tenable rule by which to tell them to
distinguish between many grammatically and semantically similar
constructions, as splitting them between <signed> and <salute>
seemed to require. E.g.:
(1) Everyone agrees (I think) that the first three examples below
belong entirely in <signed>. But I could see no essential difference
between those and the fourth and fifth examples, which some would
divide between <signed> and <salute>:
#1 <CLOSER>
<SIGNED>John</SIGNED>
</CLOSER>
#2 <CLOSER>
<SIGNED>John, lieutenant of the Tower</SIGNED>
</CLOSER>
#3 <CLOSER>
<SIGNED>John, lieutenant of the Tower and servant of God</SIGNED>
</CLOSER>
#4 <CLOSER>
<SIGNED>John, lieutenant, etc., and your obedient servant</SIGNED>
</CLOSER>
#5 <CLOSER>
<SIGNED>Your obedient servant, John, lieutenant of the Tower.</SIGNED>
</CLOSER>
(2) Likewise, I could see no essential difference between phrases,
all descriptive of the signatory, that happened to refer to the
addressee and those that did not. I gather that some would put
the former (#2 below) in <salute> but not the latter (#1 below).
Nor could I see what to do--or how to tell my keyers what to do--when both
kinds of phrases were combined (#3 below).
#1 <CLOSER>
<SIGNED>A Public Servant</SIGNED>
</CLOSER>
#2 <CLOSER>
<SIGNED>Your obedient Servant</SIGNED>
</CLOSER>
#3 <CLOSER>
<SIGNED>A Friend to Humanity and to your Welfare</SIGNED>
</CLOSER>
-- Someone in this thread suggested that every <signed> must contain
a name (or at least a nom de plume). We tag many abbreviated ones
that do not, usu.of the form <signed>Yours truly, &c.</signed>
Surely this falls under the definition of <signed> as 'a closing
salutation'!
-- Below is a random and generous selection of <signed> tags
(and a few <salute>s) from the 5,546 found in my current
review batch. Tag them as you will! See how much variety,
or unanimity, arises (n.b., you will see that we allow <list> within
<signed>, a local customization.)
pfs
Samples
=======
<SIGNED>Jeremiah Rich.</SIGNED>
<SIGNED>Yours (desirous particularly to be engaged yours
to serve you,) <HI>JOHN LILBURN.</HI></SIGNED>
<SIGNED>Your assured loving friend and servant,
EDWARD WOLBY.</SIGNED>
<SIGNED>A Faithfull Servant to all Lovers of
<HI>Musick,</HI> JOHN PLAYFORD.</SIGNED>
<SIGNED><HI>Your Lordship</HI>'s <HI>most Faithful and
most Obedient Servant,</HI> Stephen Willoughby.</SIGNED>
<SIGNED>Your servant till Death. <HI>Captaine</HI>
John Williams.</SIGNED>
<SIGNED>From a Sufferer for the Truth and Righteousness sake,
known to many of you by the Name of <HI>Isabel Wails.</HI>
</SIGNED>
<SIGNED><HI>Jo. Radford</HI> Foreman of the Mineral
Grand Jury there, with his fellows.
<LIST>
<ITEM><HI>Walter Webb.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Richard Franke.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Richard Adams.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Jahn Phelps.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Thomas Younge.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>William Dowling.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Alexandor Cuer.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>William Hopkins.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Jonas Lexstond.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>John House.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Richard Ayrer.</HI></ITEM>
</LIST></SIGNED>
<SIGNED>A True Lover of his Countries Honour, <HI>W. W.</HI>
</SIGNED>
<SIGNED><HI>Your most affectionately devoted Brethren in Christ,</HI>
<LIST>
<ITEM>Commissioners of the Church of <HI>Scotland.</HI>
<LIST>
<ITEM><HI>Jo. Maitland,</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>A. Jhonston,</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Alex. Henderson,</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Sam. Rutherfurd,</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Rob. Bailyie.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Geo. Gillespie.</HI></ITEM>
</LIST>
</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>William Twisse,</HI> Prolocutor,</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Cornel. Burges,</HI> Assessor,</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Jo. White,</HI> Assessor,</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Henry Robrough,</HI> Scribe,</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Adoniram Byfield,</HI> Scribe.</ITEM>
</LIST></SIGNED>
<SIGNED>H. Elsynge, Cler. Parl. D. Com.</SIGNED>
<SIGNED>Wholly and intirely your most affectionate
Kinsman and humble servant. <HI>F. W.</HI></SIGNED>
<SIGNED>Thy most Affectionate and Faithful Husband,
and their most loving Father, <HI>J. H.</HI></SIGNED>
<SIGNED>Thy souls well-wisher, <HI>Richard Kentish.</HI></SIGNED>
<SIGNED><LIST>
<ITEM><HI>Adam Samuel Hartman,</HI> Pastor of the Church of <HI>Lesna</HI>
in <HI>Poland,</HI> and Rector of the famous University there.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Paul Cyril</HI> a late Member of the Univer&s;ity of
<HI>Ly&s;na.</HI></ITEM></LIST></SIGNED>
<SALUTE>SIR,</SALUTE>
<SIGNED>An Admirer of your indefatigable industry and rare
abilities, JOHN TRAPP.</SIGNED>
<DATELINE>Written in the true fear of the Lord,</DATELINE>
<SIGNED>by me his Servant, Anthony Tompkins.</SIGNED>
<DATELINE><DATE>The 2d day of the 11th Moneth, 68.</DATE></DATELINE>
<SIGNED>Yours, The Inhabitants of the County of Rutland.</SIGNED>
<DATELINE>Written in <HI>York</HI> Castle,</DATELINE>
<SIGNED>by your dear Brother, and lover of your souls, known unto
you by the name of <HI>Samuel Thornton.</HI></SIGNED>
<SIGNED>Your Maiesties faithfull Subiects and Servants.
<LIST>
<ITEM>Earle <HI>Lothian.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM>Earle <HI>Lindesay.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM>Lord <HI>Balmerino.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM>Sir <HI>Thomas Morton.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM>Sir <HI>Thomas Hope.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM>Sir <HI>Archibauld Johnston</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM>Burgesses.</ITEM>
<ITEM>Sir <HI>Iohn Smith.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM>Master <HI>Robert Barklay.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM>Master <HI>Patrick Bell.</HI></ITEM>
</LIST></SIGNED>
<SALUTE>VALE LECTOR, & fruere.</SALUTE>
<SALUTE>Adieu Madam.</SALUTE>
<SIGNED>Your Servant, <HI>&c.</HI></SIGNED>
<SIGNED>So help me God. <HI>DANIEL SCARGILL.</HI></SIGNED>
<SIGNED>Your sorrowfull friend, and brother in Christ,
<HI>Thomas Sweet.</HI></SIGNED>
<SIGNED>Your Worships affectionate Kinsman and Servant.</SIGNED>
<SIGNED>Your Lordship's Most Passionate Admirer And Most Devoted
Humble Servant.</SIGNED>
<SIGNED>Your true friend and Cosen, <HI>Nathanael
Warters.</HI></SIGNED>
<SIGNED>We subscribe our selves,
Your Brethren in the Faith and Fellowship of the Gospel,
<LIST>
<ITEM><HI>William Kiffin,</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>George Barrett,</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Robert Steed,</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Edward Man.</HI></ITEM>
</LIST></SIGNED>
<SIGNED>Thine to serve thee for the Publike good, G. A.</SIGNED>
<SALUTE>>MY LORD!</SALUTE>
<SIGNED>Your <HI>Highness,</HI> though unknown, yet most
humble servant.</SIGNED>
<SIGNED><HI>From thy Friend, and all Peoples, In Sincerity
and Truth,</HI> Thomas Rudd.</SIGNED>
<SIGNED><HI>one</HI> of the meanest of Your Servants for
Christ, and this Commonwealth. <HI>JO. ROGERS.</HI></SIGNED>
<SIGNED>Your affectionate fellow Apprentices of Bridge
Ward within.</SIGNED>
<DATELINE><HI>Dated</HI> <DATE>the 17 <HI>of</HI> May, 1649. <HI>the
first year of Englands hopeful Restauration, through the blessing of
God, to its primitive Liberty.</HI></DATE></DATELINE>
<SALUTE>My Lord, </SALUTE>
<SIGNED><HI>Your Most Humble and Most Obedient Servants,
the Agents General of the Clergy of</HI> France. <HI>The Abbot</HI>
de VILLARS. <HI>The Abbot</HI> PHILYPEA&V;X.</SIGNED>
<DATELINE><HI>Paris</HI> <DATE>this <HI>2d. of</HI> October,
<HI>1688.</HI></DATE></DATELINE>
<SIGNED>By the Contriver of the Citizens Protestation,
here following.</SIGNED>
<SIGNED><HI>Yours unfeignedly, in the right way of the Gospel
to serve you faithfully, according to my measure in the things
of Jesus Christ,</HI> THO: LAMBE.</SIGNED>
<SALUTE>(SIR,)</SALUTE>
<SIGNED>Your most affectionate Friend, heartily to serve you
[being yet as much an English man as ever I was] <HI>JOHN LILBURN,
Semper idem</HI></SIGNED>
<DATELINE>From my delightfull dwelling in Bruges,
<DATE>Saturday, Novemb. the 9. 1652. New stile.</DATE></DATELINE>
<TRAILER>The End.</TRAILER>
<SIGNED><HI>I subscribe myself Your Fellow-Citizen,</HI>
A FRIEND TO HUMANITY.</SIGNED>
<SIGNED>Your servant, S--l C--h, forever.</SIGNED>
<SIGNED>THOMAS GORDON, Attorney in fact for WILLIAM
CUNNINGHAM & Co.</SIGNED>
<SIGNED>WM. GIBBONS, <HI>President and Delegate from Chatham.</HI>
</SIGNED>
<SIGNED>Thomas Gozaeus a Bellomonte, sacrae Theologiae
Professor, & authoritate Pontificis librorum approbator.</SIGNED>
<SIGNED>Your Honours obliged servant though unworthiest
among the Ministers of Christ. <HI>THO. MARRIOT.</HI></SIGNED>
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