[tei-council] Fwd: [tei-board] licensing issues

Wed Sep 28 12:32:50 EDT 2011

What Lou seems to insist on is also what I keep saying, the only thing we really need is acknowledgement. Even if we don't use lawyers, we have through such a licence a kind of authority.

Le 28 sept. 2011 à 17:32, Lou Burnard a écrit :

> I'm all in favour of simplicity, and disentangling what ODD deliberately 
> tangles surely cannot be a good idea. But all the more reason to insist 
> on  precision as to what we are claiming or not claiming.
> 
> Just as a wild hypothesis, suppose some other international agency  were 
> to produce something called a "standard for linguistic annotation" 
> consisting of a whole bunch of recommendations for encoding things in 
> XML, using identical gis and content models clearly derived from the 
> TEI, though perhaps with some minor modifications, but which made 
> absolutely no reference to or acknowledgment of the fact Would this 
> licence (note spelling) enable us to sue their bottoms off?
> 
> (This is of course a purely nuts-and-port speculation as Piotr and 
> Laurent will agree.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 28/09/11 16:08, Sebastian Rahtz wrote:
>> I am with Martin here. A very simple license across the board seems the only sustainable way forward.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 28 Sep 2011, at 16:07, "Martin Holmes"<mholmes at uvic.ca>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I must admit I don't really understand the reasoning here. Schemas can
>>> be derived from ODDs, and ODDs (presumably) from schemas; documentation
>>> is tied directly into schemas by the generation process, and the
>>> Guidelines consist of documentation knitted together with explanatory
>>> prose. The whole seems to me to be inextricably tangled, which is as it
>>> should be, and I see no reason why some parts should be licensed
>>> differently from others.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> On 11-09-28 07:03 AM, Piotr Bański wrote:
>>>> In general, I believe that a single license for code, schemas and their
>>>> documentation would be a real blunder. Documentation under LGPL? Please...
>>>> 
>>>> I attempted to present my reasoning in this e-mail:
>>>> 
>>>> http://lists.village.virginia.edu/pipermail/tei-council/2011/013670.html
>>>> 
>>>> It may be stupid, of course, but I'd rather shove it in front of your
>>>> eyes now and wait to be told so than have a feeling that we may be
>>>> missing something important.
>>>> 
>>>> best,
>>>> 
>>>>   P.
>>>> 
>>>> On 28/09/11 15:34, Laurent Romary wrote:
>>>>> You guys are always so quick.... I was stuck in the middle of the river not understanding why CC-By, which is what is aimed at with BSD is incompatible with GPL (in a context where we seem not to care about GPL). Should not we make a recommendation along principles and make explicit that CC-BY and BSD are two options, and let the board finalize. Or should we vote on one or the other?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Le 28 sept. 2011 à 14:55, Martin Holmes a écrit :
>>>>> 
>>>>>> So this is the proposal:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The TEI Guidelines, including schemas or documentation generated from
>>>>>> them, associated processing tools and stylesheets, exemplars, and test
>>>>>> files, should be released under a 2-clause BSD license.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (The 2-clause license is the "Simplified BSD License" or "FreeBSD License".)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I vote in favour.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11-09-28 05:25 AM, Sebastian Rahtz wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 28 Sep 2011, at 13:12, Lou Burnard wrote:
>>>>>>>>> so which of you three were going to convey this to Council, I wonder? never mind.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure who "you three" are, but I'm guessing it's Laurent's job
>>>>>>>> formally to convey Board decisions to the Council
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> the chair of the Board also sits, ex officio, on the Council.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "all TEI stuff which the Consortium produces" is a rather vague concept.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> it is. sorry
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> In particular it cannot apply prospectively surely? If (perhaps as a
>>>>>>>> result of the ongoing futures debate) the Consortium gets into some
>>>>>>>> other line of business -- say developing courseware -- it might want to
>>>>>>>> licence such activities differently.
>>>>>>> true.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> s/TEI stuff/The TEI Guidelines, including schemas or documentation generated from them, associated processing tools and stylesheets, exemplars, and test files/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think the proposal needs to be rather more precisely formulated before
>>>>>>>> it can be voted on,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> see above. is there a category you have in mind to _exclude_, apart from courseware?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Stormageddon Rahtz
>>>>>>> Head of Information and Support Group
>>>>>>> Oxford University Computing Services
>>>>>>> 13 Banbury Road, Oxford OX2 6NN. Phone +44 1865 283431
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sólo le pido a Dios
>>>>>>> que el futuro no me sea indiferente
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