[tei-council] notated music

[Martin Mueller]

I'm reluctant to jump into this discussion, which I don't really
understand in all its technical ramification. But what I do hear (sort of)
is that we're trying to do something music-specific that might be better
thought of at a more abstract level. I certainly see the virtue of dealing
with practical or domain-specific problems as they come up. But unless
there is something that must be done right now, would it make sense to
take a time out and reflect on whether a move to a more abstract solution
could be realized in a reasonable time?

On 7/4/11 11:24 AM, "Martin Holmes" <mholmes at uvic.ca> wrote:

>
>
>On 11-07-04 09:16 AM, Lou Burnard wrote:
>> I think that #3 is clearly necessary, #1 is debatable, and #2 is
>> something that needs a lot more discussion
>
>But if #3 is syntactic sugar for #2, shouldn't we deal with #2 first? We
>can't detail the semantics of <notatedMusic> as a special case of
>something else when we haven't yet created the something else.
>
>Or do you think it's better to create <notatedMusic> first, and work out
>the semantics of its parallel content, and then use that as the basis
>for a more generalized element at a later date? That does seem
>topsy-turvy to me.
>
>Cheers,
>Martin
>
>>
>> I assume that the three are disjoint.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/07/11 17:08, Gabriel Bodard wrote:
>>> I don't think that #2 and #3 are necessarily the right way around in
>>> this suggestion, both for the reason that James mentions, and because
>>>we
>>> don't necessarily have a problem of creating a general class of things
>>> when a specific instance of it already exists. We have a concrete and
>>> uncontroversial use-case for *tei:notatedMusic, whereas the more
>>>general
>>> container is currently a more woolly concept that could probably stand
>>> to be discussed and consulted on a bit more widely.
>>>
>>> I vote we go ahead with #1 and #3, and think about #2 some more.
>>>
>>> G
>>>
>>> On 2011-07-04 16:52, James Cummings wrote:
>>>> On 04/07/11 16:34, Martin Holmes wrote:
>>>>> I don't want to block this, but I do think we might be doing several
>>>>> things at once here. There seem to be three distinct issues:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. The need for an<externalObject>     (or whatever) which is
>>>>>specifically
>>>>> designated as a transclusion element.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. The need for a container element whose content elements are
>>>>>deemed to
>>>>> be not choices exactly but somehow parallel renderings in different
>>>>> formats of the same content (an image of notated music, an XML
>>>>>rendering
>>>>> of it, an MP3 file of the music). This contrasts with<choice>, which
>>>>> apparently assumes that one of its content elements will be chosen in
>>>>> any given context.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. The need for<notatedMusic>, which is semantic sugar for
>>>>> <aboveContainer type="notatedMusic">.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with this, except for the assumption about choice which
>>>> is tangential here. (For the record, I feel choice is probably
>>>> misnamed because in most processing of it these days we do *not*
>>>> make the choice... we might privilege one over the other, but in
>>>> most renderings I've seen both are available in some way (often
>>>> able to be toggled or present in a tooltip etc.).  This is
>>>> exactly what I usually do with choice.  But none of this matters
>>>> for this discussion.
>>>>
>>>>> If my understanding above is correct, then I think it would be
>>>>>better to
>>>>> make three separate feature requests, and deal with #2 before #3. Or
>>>>>am
>>>>> I missing something?
>>>>
>>>> Nope, that sounds correct to me.  My only worry is that #2 is
>>>> likely to cause much discussion whereas in general #3 is fairly
>>>> uncontroversial.
>>>>
>>>> -James
>>>>
>>>
>>
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