[tei-council] Content for <pb/> etc. [was: soft hyphens (again)]
dot.porter at gmail.com
Fri Jun 25 21:33:44 EDT 2010
I'm going with Lou and Martin on this - <pb/> is metadata to mark where one
page ends and another page begins, while <fw type="'pageNum"> (or similar)
would be used to mark whatever is written as the page numbering on the
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Martin Holmes <mholmes at uvic.ca> wrote:
> Wouldn't we want to distinguish between <pb/>, which is a page _break_,
> and <fw type="pageNum">, in which one would include the page number that
> actually appears (wrong or not)?
> On 10-06-25 06:48 AM, Elena Pierazzo wrote:
> > Sorry if I intervene only now, but I have a case for which a content
> > (even a textual content!!) for<pb/> might be very important.
> > When you transcribe manuscripts you want to be able to record
> > paginations and foliation for which you normally would use<pb n="my
> > page number"/>.
> > But what happens when there is a correction on a page number? I have
> > found this case and many others while working on Austen manuscripts.
> > Here is the cases we found:
> > - page number missing (in a manuscript that normally has page numbers):
> > it would be good to be able to use<pb><supplied>45</supplied></pb> (or
> > similar)
> > - page number corrected: Austen write 78 the correct the 8 into 7:
> > <pb>7<subst><del>8</del><add>7</add></subst></pb/>
> > - page number is wrong: Austen write 56 per 57:
> > <pb>5<choice><sic>6</sic><corr>7</corr></choice></pb>
> > One of the leading idea behind P5 was to move any textual content from
> > attributes to element, I think the<pb> has escaped this revision. While
> > <lb/> have numbers that are rarely written on the page, page numbers are
> > often actual symbols on the page and therefore an editor would like to
> > be able to transcribe them with all the possible features they may have
> > (correction. alteration, underlining, etc.), in the same way one can
> > transcribe other words written by the author.
> > Elena
> > Gabriel Bodard wrote:
> >> On 21/06/2010 16:02, Kevin Hawkins wrote:
> >>> I'm afraid I still don't understand. Are these elements no longer
> >>> elements? They still appear that way even in Sebastian's test release.
> >>> When did this change happen?
> >> Which elements?<gap/> (always an "empty"--i.e. permitting no
> >> text-content--element), has taken a child<desc> ever since P5 first
> >> release;<space/> for some reason did not, although it does now. Both
> >> also take<certainty/>,<precision/> etc. It makes sense to me that a
> >> so-called empty element could contain another non-text-bearing element
> >> such as<certainty/>, which in this case serves as a much richer
> >> analogue to a cert attribute.
> >> At the moment, of course,<lb/> and the other milestoneLike elements are
> >> still literally empty, but I am arguing (lightly, as I don't have a
> >> specific use-case for them) that they could just as rationally be
> >> allowed to take a child from the certainty class, although still no text
> >> content, of course.
> >> Sorry if this was confusing.
> >> G
> Martin Holmes
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> (mholmes at uvic.ca)
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