[tei-council] [Fwd: [ tei-Feature Requests-2910712 ] reappraisal of author, editor, and respStmt]

Julianne Nyhan julianne.nyhan at gmail.com
Mon Jan 18 08:37:43 EST 2010


I find the revised wording of 3.11.2.2 to be clear and easy to understand.
I agree also.
Julianne

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Laurent Romary <laurent.romary at loria.fr>wrote:

> I would say so.
> Laurent
>
> Le 15 janv. 10 à 17:58, Lou a écrit :
>
> > I think the discussion in this ticket addresses the Action in tcm43,
> > and I'd like Council to express a view as to whether or not the
> > action taken is sufficient to warrant now closing the ticket.
> >
> >
> > De : SourceForge.net <noreply at sourceforge.net>
> > Date : 15 janvier 2010 17:55:47 GMT+01:00
> > À : "noreply at sourceforge.net" <noreply at sourceforge.net>
> > Objet : [ tei-Feature Requests-2910712 ] reappraisal of author,
> > editor, and respStmt
> >
> >
> > Feature Requests item #2910712, was opened at 2009-12-08 14:28
> > Message generated for change (Comment added) made by louburnard
> > You can respond by visiting:
> >
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=644065&aid=2910712&group_id=106328
> >
> > Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the
> > comment thread,
> > including the initial issue submission, for this request,
> > not just the latest update.
> > Category: None
> >> Group: GREEN
> > Status: Open
> > Priority: 5
> > Private: No
> > Submitted By: Kevin Hawkins (kshawkin)
> > Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
> > Summary: reappraisal of author, editor, and respStmt
> >
> > Initial Comment:
> > There are three elements in TEI which are used to represent various
> > parties responsible for a work:
> >
> > author
> > editor
> > respStmt
> >
> > According to the definition of <editor>, it may take a role=
> > attribute to indicate "the nature of the intellectual
> > responsibility", with suggested values being:
> >
> > translator
> > editor
> > compiler
> > illustrator
> >
> > However, 3.11.2.2 says "The author element should be used for the
> > person or agency with primary responsibility for a work's
> > intellectual content, and the element editor for an editor of the
> > work."
> >
> > I do not consider translators, compilers, and illustrators to be
> > compatible with 3.11.2.2, so I think this discrepancy should be
> > clarified.
> >
> > According to Lou (at
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2798963&group_id=106328&atid=644065
> >  ), author was meant for primary responsibility, editor for various
> > types of secondary responsibility, and respStmt for anything else.
> > However, Council decided on 2009-12-07 to add @role to author to
> > allow for distinguishing various types of authors.
> >
> > The distinction among these three elements is problematic.  The
> > TEI's ontology of entities responsible for a work is different from
> > those used in other schemas (like the NLM DTDs for journals, as
> > described in the ticket above, and in library cataloging practice,
> > which does not attempt to distinguish types of responsibility), and
> > it's not clear what purpose it serves to have three different
> > elements when we can't agree on the semantics of them.
> >
> > I suggest we either prescribe use of these elements more carefully
> > or remove author and editor in favor of the respStmt element, which
> > would have an optional type=.  This attribute could be used by a
> > project if a taxonomy of responsibilities is desired and if the
> > various types of responsibility are not adequately conveyed by free
> > text in resp.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >> Comment By: Lou Burnard (louburnard)
> > Date: 2010-01-15 16:55
> >
> > Message:
> > I have changed the wording at 3.11.2.2 as follows:
> > " The <gi>author</gi> element should be used for the person or agency
> > with
> > primary responsibility for a work's intellectual content, and the
> > element <gi>editor</gi> for any others with some responsibility for
> > that content, whether or not they are called
> > <soCalled>editor</soCalled>.  An organization such as a radio or
> > television station is usually accounted <soCalled>author</soCalled> of
> > a broadcast, for example, while the author of a Government report will
> > usually be the agency which produced it. A translator, illustrator, or
> > compiler, may however be marked by means of the <gi>editor</gi>
> > element,
> > optionally using the <att>role</att> attribute to specify the nature
> > of their responsibility more exactly.
> >
> > The reason for having the three different elements, as Martin notes,
> > is to
> > make life a bit easier for simple uses. I think there is a good case
> > to be
> > made for recommending only a subset of what the TEI provides in
> > specific
> > contexts, but that's often the case.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Comment By: Martin Holmes (martindholmes)
> > Date: 2010-01-14 18:17
> >
> > Message:
> > I think removing <author> and <editor>, as suggested in your last
> > paragraph, would be highly disruptive; it would also make life
> > slightly,
> > but noticeably, more difficult for newbies, who are happy to see
> > simple tag
> > names that they can understand without thinking too hard.
> >
> > However, there does seem to be a general issue here, which also
> > applies to
> > the distinction between <ab> and <p>. If <ab> is the general case,
> > and <p>
> > is syntactic sugar for <ab @type="paragraph">, while <respStmt> is the
> > general case and <author> is syntactic sugar for
> > <respStmt><resp>author</resp></respStmt> -- and I think there are many
> > other such cases -- perhaps we should develop a general policy with
> > regard
> > to the class membership and attribute availability for such
> > syntactic sugar
> > elements. It would also help to see an exhaustive list of such
> > elements --
> > does one exist?
> >
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