[tei-council] word-dividing

[Gabriel Bodard]

I'm not sure I like "nobreak", as it doesn't really say anything about 
the status of the lb (or, as Dot points out, cb, pb, etc.); especially 
since there are never (or rarely) breaks _between_ words in our texts. 
The idea behind "worddiv" was that this is a linebreak that appears 
mid-word, splitting it atwain, as Dan has it. Let me canvas the EpiDoc 
markup list, and see if people there have opinions one way or the other 
to contribute to this...

G

Lou Burnard wrote:
> After much head scratching here in Oxford, we've decided on "nobreak"
> 
> I added a couple more examples and a bit more discussion, taking 
> examples from some real projects too. Affected are the definition for 
> <lb> and the discussion of milestones in CO.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Daniel Paul O'Donnell wrote:
>> I think "word-dividing" in this case means "splitting individual words 
>> atwain" rather than "demarcating their boundaries" ;)
>>
>> In my edition of Cædmon's Hymn I needed to encode space and lb 
>> similarly explicitly: i.e. indicating whether it fell within the word 
>> or between words: the stylesheets (such as they were in those days) 
>> handled them differently depending on the value of @type (which I'd 
>> made universal). White space wouldn't have done it for me, because I 
>> was reformatting the data with and without the word-internal spaces 
>> and lines depending on the view the user selected.
>>
>> -dan
>>
>> Lou Burnard wrote:
>>> Gabriel BODARD wrote:
>>>  
>>>> Lou Burnard wrote:
>>>>     
>>>  
>>>>>> (9) lb: should we add an example of the usage of 
>>>>>> lb/type=word-dividing, which currently sits a little uncomfortably 
>>>>>> in the note. I suggest "Cae<lb type="worddiv"/>sari".
>>>>>>         
>>>>> Don't know what note you're referring to. Don't see the point of 
>>>>> the @type attribute. Haven't done anything.
>>>>>       
>>>> This was discussed some months ago, and is the reason @type was 
>>>> allowed on <lb> in the first place. There is currently a note at the 
>>>> bottom of LB that says: "The type attribute may be used to 
>>>> characterize the linebreak in any respect, for example as 
>>>> word-breaking or not." We have literally thousands of examples of 
>>>> this in EpiDoc files, where words are not always tagged explicitly 
>>>> and it's the only way we can be sure to tokenize correctly. I just 
>>>> thought an example would help to clarify the use-case.
>>>>
>>>> (If people feel strongly that [e.g.] "wordDividing" would be a 
>>>> better recommended value than "worddiv", I'm happy to make that part 
>>>> of our P5 upgrade script.)
>>>>
>>>>     
>>> I don't mind adding examples, but this one confuses me. Isn't the 
>>> point that the <lb/> in your example does NOT divide the word ? so 
>>> both "wordDividing" and "worddiv" seem exactly the opposite of what 
>>> you want here. How about "nowordbreak" or "nwb"?
>>>
>>> I know I lost this argument last time, but I still think in practice 
>>> I'd deal with this by putting in whitespace where the <lb> coincided 
>>> with a word boundary and leaving  it out where it didn't!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> G
>>>>
>>>>     
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