[tei-council] Last question about badges

David Sewell dsewell at virginia.edu
Thu Feb 26 10:28:02 EST 2009


[just back from a brief holiday, hence the late reply]

I like this explanation quite well. It serves as good public-relations
text in addition to explaining the badges.

On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Dan O'Donnell wrote:

> In keeping with my last posting on this. How about the following for a
> descriptive text for the webpage? I confess I'm now thinking of this
> with having both "I/We use" and "Powered by" tag-lines. But there is
> nothing in the text that requires this:
>
> > <head>Let others know you use the TEI</head>
> >
> > <p>The Guidelines of the Text Encoding Initiative are now in their
> > fifth version. With more than 20 years of work behind them, they are a
> > de facto standard in many areas of textual markup. The guidelines are
> > used by hundreds of projects around the world. Their use is required
> > by many public funding agencies.</p>
> >
> > <p>Many projects use the TEI Guidelines "behind the scenes" while
> > delivering their content to the public using HTML. The following
> > buttons provide an easy way of letting others know that an individual,
> > group, or project makes use of the TEI Guidelines in its work.
> > Publicising your use of the TEI is an important part of ensuring the
> > continuing viability of the TEI community and the TEI's profile within
> > your discipline. The code snippets associated with each button directs
> > users to the TEI website, encouraging your visitors and colleagues to
> > investigate the use of the TEI for their own digital work.</p>
> >
> > <p>In contrast to buttons published by organisations like the W3C,
> > these TEI buttons do not make any specific claims about
> > <emph>how</emph> the TEI is being used by a project. The TEI is used
> > in so many different ways by so many different organisations that it
> > would be next-to-impossible to establish a series of buttons
> > associated with a specific validation programme or to describe
> > specific types of usage. For us, it is enough that you use the TEI in
> > your project.</p>
> >
> > <p>Thank you very much for helping us publicise your participation in
> > the TEI community!</p>
> >
> > {{Buttons and code snippets here}}
>
>
> Dan O'Donnell wrote:
> > After it was suggested to me that we should just say "use" if that's
> > what we meant, I wondered if we shouldn't say "This project uses." But
> > two issues came up: 1) not all people are projects, and 2) it might be
> > too long for the badge. "We" covered both basis, but is not applicable
> > if you are a single person. But I can't see any reason why having a
> > singular and plural badge would be a problem.
> >
> > If I've counted aright, we basically split 5 "use" (me, Sebastian,
> > Laurent, Elena, Peter) to 5 "powered" (Lou, David, Gabriel, Susan, Dot)
> > with 2 people (James and Arianna) equally happy either way. Any last
> > thoughts? I'm also happy to write up something covering both themes (Use
> > and powered by) keeping Lou's point about it also referring to
> > intellectual influence. I can't see how that would cause a problem,
> > since the point of the exercise--slapping a TEI badge on projects that
> > use it, would be accomplished anyway, and the split in opinion suggests
> > that whichever we choose would cause a similar split in understanding in
> > the target audience.
> >
> > -dan
> >
> > Gabriel Bodard wrote:
> >
> >> In some cases, wouldn't "project uses" be more appropriate than "site
> >> uses"? I guess that is part of my problem with the verb "uses" for this
> >> purpose--we're never going to agree on what the subject should be.
> >> "Powered by" is nice and generic, and it's what a hundred other badges
> >> also say so it's well-understood as well as fairly generic.
> >>
> >> G
> >>
> >> James Cummings a écrit :
> >>
> >>
> >>> I realise that no one wants any more suggestions, but why not 'Site
> >>> uses' rather than 'powered by' or 'I/We use'.  Saying the site uses TEI
> >>> is vague and impersonal enough for those who I/We might not be appropriate.
> >>>
> >>> Just a thought as it occurs to me, feel free to ignore.
> >>>
> >>> -James
> >>>
> >>> Pierazzo, Elena wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I think that "I use" will be better than "powered by", even is perhaps it doesn't convey all the meaning Lou was suggesting. I think that, being more understated, that will enourage people to use it.
> >>>> I also agree with James suggestions.
> >>>> Elena
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________________________________
> >>>> From: tei-council-bounces at lists.village.Virginia.EDU [tei-council-bounces at lists.village.Virginia.EDU] On Behalf Of Gabriel Bodard [gabriel.bodard at kcl.ac.uk]
> >>>> Sent: 19 February 2009 14:52
> >>>> To: Lou Burnard
> >>>> Cc: TEI Council
> >>>> Subject: Re: [tei-council] Last question about badges
> >>>>
> >>>> I also very much agree that "powered by" is more serious and more
> >>>> indiciative of what we mean than "we use". The very fact that we can't
> >>>> decide between the wording "I use" or "we use" makes me nervous...
> >>>>
> >>>> G
> >>>>
> >>>> Lou Burnard a écrit :
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> The other way to read "powered by" is with reference to an intellectual
> >>>>> rather than an engineering context -- kind of "empowered by". Our site
> >>>>> is the way it is because we think TEI.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Susan Schreibman wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I kind of like the 'powered by' rather than 'I use' or 'we use' -- powered
> >>>>>> by makes me think of what lies behind the screen -- the code that makes it
> >>>>>> all happen; powered by sounds significant to me,  active in a way that a
> >>>>>> statement like  'I use' does not
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> just my humble opinion
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ss
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Dan O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell at uleth.ca>wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I was discussing the badges with somebody here and they made what seems
> >>>>>>> to me to be a very sensible proposal, that I'm not sure I've heard
> >>>>>>> before. If the point of the badge is to indicate generally that a
> >>>>>>> project or person uses TEI, they suggested, why not simply have the
> >>>>>>> badge say "I use [TEI Logo]" and/or "We use [TEI Logo]" instead of
> >>>>>>> "Powered by [TEI Logo]" which may or may not be true in one or more senses.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I very much like this. But my sense has been at right angles to the
> >>>>>>> council on this all along, so let me throw it out there to be shot down.
> >>>>>>> Is there a reason not to ask the designer:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> a) Increase the size of TEI logo on the button by maybe 10% so that it
> >>>>>>> runs farther over the edge of the button
> >>>>>>> b) Change the text to two buttons: "I use [TEI Logo]" and "We use [TEI
> >>>>>>> Logo]"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Since this is not rocket science (though getting things wrong is
> >>>>>>> disproportionately embarrassing), let me ask for comments til next
> >>>>>>> Monday. At that point, if I don't hear any objections, I'll get them up
> >>>>>>> on the site.
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