[tei-council] Last question about badges

Dan O'Donnell daniel.odonnell at uleth.ca
Fri Feb 20 13:17:13 EST 2009


In keeping with my last posting on this. How about the following for a 
descriptive text for the webpage? I confess I'm now thinking of this 
with having both "I/We use" and "Powered by" tag-lines. But there is 
nothing in the text that requires this:

> <head>Let others know you use the TEI</head>
>
> <p>The Guidelines of the Text Encoding Initiative are now in their 
> fifth version. With more than 20 years of work behind them, they are a 
> de facto standard in many areas of textual markup. The guidelines are 
> used by hundreds of projects around the world. Their use is required 
> by many public funding agencies.</p>
>
> <p>Many projects use the TEI Guidelines "behind the scenes" while 
> delivering their content to the public using HTML. The following 
> buttons provide an easy way of letting others know that an individual, 
> group, or project makes use of the TEI Guidelines in its work. 
> Publicising your use of the TEI is an important part of ensuring the 
> continuing viability of the TEI community and the TEI's profile within 
> your discipline. The code snippets associated with each button directs 
> users to the TEI website, encouraging your visitors and colleagues to 
> investigate the use of the TEI for their own digital work.</p>
>
> <p>In contrast to buttons published by organisations like the W3C, 
> these TEI buttons do not make any specific claims about 
> <emph>how</emph> the TEI is being used by a project. The TEI is used 
> in so many different ways by so many different organisations that it 
> would be next-to-impossible to establish a series of buttons 
> associated with a specific validation programme or to describe 
> specific types of usage. For us, it is enough that you use the TEI in 
> your project.</p>
>
> <p>Thank you very much for helping us publicise your participation in 
> the TEI community!</p>
>
> {{Buttons and code snippets here}}


Dan O'Donnell wrote:
> After it was suggested to me that we should just say "use" if that's 
> what we meant, I wondered if we shouldn't say "This project uses." But 
> two issues came up: 1) not all people are projects, and 2) it might be 
> too long for the badge. "We" covered both basis, but is not applicable 
> if you are a single person. But I can't see any reason why having a 
> singular and plural badge would be a problem.
>
> If I've counted aright, we basically split 5 "use" (me, Sebastian, 
> Laurent, Elena, Peter) to 5 "powered" (Lou, David, Gabriel, Susan, Dot) 
> with 2 people (James and Arianna) equally happy either way. Any last 
> thoughts? I'm also happy to write up something covering both themes (Use 
> and powered by) keeping Lou's point about it also referring to 
> intellectual influence. I can't see how that would cause a problem, 
> since the point of the exercise--slapping a TEI badge on projects that 
> use it, would be accomplished anyway, and the split in opinion suggests 
> that whichever we choose would cause a similar split in understanding in 
> the target audience.
>
> -dan
>
> Gabriel Bodard wrote:
>   
>> In some cases, wouldn't "project uses" be more appropriate than "site 
>> uses"? I guess that is part of my problem with the verb "uses" for this 
>> purpose--we're never going to agree on what the subject should be. 
>> "Powered by" is nice and generic, and it's what a hundred other badges 
>> also say so it's well-understood as well as fairly generic.
>>
>> G
>>
>> James Cummings a écrit :
>>   
>>     
>>> I realise that no one wants any more suggestions, but why not 'Site 
>>> uses' rather than 'powered by' or 'I/We use'.  Saying the site uses TEI 
>>> is vague and impersonal enough for those who I/We might not be appropriate.
>>>
>>> Just a thought as it occurs to me, feel free to ignore.
>>>
>>> -James
>>>
>>> Pierazzo, Elena wrote:
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> I think that "I use" will be better than "powered by", even is perhaps it doesn't convey all the meaning Lou was suggesting. I think that, being more understated, that will enourage people to use it.
>>>> I also agree with James suggestions.
>>>> Elena
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: tei-council-bounces at lists.village.Virginia.EDU [tei-council-bounces at lists.village.Virginia.EDU] On Behalf Of Gabriel Bodard [gabriel.bodard at kcl.ac.uk]
>>>> Sent: 19 February 2009 14:52
>>>> To: Lou Burnard
>>>> Cc: TEI Council
>>>> Subject: Re: [tei-council] Last question about badges
>>>>
>>>> I also very much agree that "powered by" is more serious and more
>>>> indiciative of what we mean than "we use". The very fact that we can't
>>>> decide between the wording "I use" or "we use" makes me nervous...
>>>>
>>>> G
>>>>
>>>> Lou Burnard a écrit :
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> The other way to read "powered by" is with reference to an intellectual
>>>>> rather than an engineering context -- kind of "empowered by". Our site
>>>>> is the way it is because we think TEI.
>>>>>
>>>>> Susan Schreibman wrote:
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> I kind of like the 'powered by' rather than 'I use' or 'we use' -- powered
>>>>>> by makes me think of what lies behind the screen -- the code that makes it
>>>>>> all happen; powered by sounds significant to me,  active in a way that a
>>>>>> statement like  'I use' does not
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just my humble opinion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ss
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Dan O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell at uleth.ca>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was discussing the badges with somebody here and they made what seems
>>>>>>> to me to be a very sensible proposal, that I'm not sure I've heard
>>>>>>> before. If the point of the badge is to indicate generally that a
>>>>>>> project or person uses TEI, they suggested, why not simply have the
>>>>>>> badge say "I use [TEI Logo]" and/or "We use [TEI Logo]" instead of
>>>>>>> "Powered by [TEI Logo]" which may or may not be true in one or more senses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I very much like this. But my sense has been at right angles to the
>>>>>>> council on this all along, so let me throw it out there to be shot down.
>>>>>>> Is there a reason not to ask the designer:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a) Increase the size of TEI logo on the button by maybe 10% so that it
>>>>>>> runs farther over the edge of the button
>>>>>>> b) Change the text to two buttons: "I use [TEI Logo]" and "We use [TEI
>>>>>>> Logo]"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since this is not rocket science (though getting things wrong is
>>>>>>> disproportionately embarrassing), let me ask for comments til next
>>>>>>> Monday. At that point, if I don't hear any objections, I'll get them up
>>>>>>> on the site.
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