Fwd: Re: trees and graphs

[John Unsworth]

I mailed Patrick with the consensus of the Council (re: trees, graphs, SVG, 
etc.) and this is his reply.  I've agreed to what he proposes, advised him 
to get in touch with David Durand for contact info on Chris, and noted his 
request that working group membership be listed somewhere where members can 
find it.

John

<p>>Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:37:05 -0500
>From: Patrick Durusau <pdurusau at emory.edu>
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>Subject: Re: trees and graphs
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>John,
>
>Sure!
>
>Chris Catton of the RDF world? chris.catton at btopenworld.com? The reason I 
>ask is that the TEI-L archives did not find any posts containing "catton."
>
>I can contact David Durand for an email address for Chris if you don't 
>have one handy.
>
>Before posting to the TEI-L list for volunteers I assume it would be 
>better to have some sort of work plan outline, prepared with Chris so 
>people will know what volunteering will mean.
>
>I assume the Council would want the report of the task force by its next 
>meeting in October (?) 2003?
>
>Generally what I would forsee is a review of Chapter 21 to establish what 
>it covers, perhaps in a table sort of listing, so a similar review of SVG 
>(or similar XML languages) could be laid along side for rough comparison. 
>The report itself would have a prose section to summarize the 
>commonalities/differences and make recommendations based on the summary chart.
>
>I would think that most (if not all) of the work could be done by email. 
>For the drafts of the report, if need be, we could either use an IRC 
>channel or perhaps even one or two conference calls. I think the SBL would 
>be willing to pick up the conference call cost, provided callers were 
>paying their own long distance charges.
>
>I work best with deadlines and deliverables so lets say that I contact 
>Chris and we fashion a call for volunteers and a work plan posted to the 
>TEI-L list by the end of February 2003, with a view of having the task 
>force formulated and underway by the end of March 2003? That gives us 6 
>months to worry Chapter 21, SVG and related standards back and forth 
>before the Council meeting.
>
>FYI on schemas: The Open Office XML Format TC at OASIS will be using RELAX 
>NG as the basis for the Open Office XML format.
>
>I visited the TEI site trying to find a listing of the linking group's 
>membership but either overlooked it or it is not present. If the latter, 
>would you suggest to the maintainers that listing of working group members 
>with email addresses would make communication a little easier?
>
>Hope the week is off to a great start!
>
>Patrick
>
>John Unsworth wrote:
>>Patrick,
>>
>>In our TEI Council conference call on January 21st, we discussed your 
>>proposal to revisit the chapter of the guidelines on trees and graphs, 
>>with an eye to SVG, and here's what the minutes say we said:
>>
>>"The Council agreed that the question of whether or not the current 
>>chapter on Trees and Graphs should be retained or revised was distinct 
>>from the question of how to integrate other XML schemes such as SVG. It 
>>was agreed to ask Patrick to constitute a task force which should review 
>>current work in formalization of tree and graph structures, and make a 
>>specific recommendation with regard to the current chapter of the 
>>Guidelines. He should solicit interest in this work on TEI-L; it was 
>>suggested that Chris Catton (on the SO markup wg) would be a useful 
>>contributor."
>>
>>Let me unpack that a little.  There's a general issue, across many 
>>sections of the guidelines, having to do with integrating TEI with other 
>>standards, namespaces, etc., and that's got to be a major part of the 
>>revision for P5.  The Council is setting up a workgroup within itself to 
>>look at that issue, which includes, for example, how to express TEI as a 
>>schema, whether to continue with DTDs, what to do with the TEI header and 
>>how to reconcile that with things like EAD, METS, Dublin Core, etc. etc. 
>>etc..  Whether or not to use SVG to express trees and graphs in TEI is a 
>>part of that larger question--but the Council felt that there was a prior 
>>question, namely whether the next revision of the guidelines ought to 
>>have a chapter on trees and graphs at all--or whether it should simply 
>>reference other guidelines elsewhere.  Hence the suggestion of a task 
>>force, as something prior to a workgroup--a workgroup would assume that 
>>we *were* going to keep and revise the chapter.  So, if you're willing to 
>>do it, we'd like you to form a small task force of interested and 
>>knowledgeable people to look at the chapter in P4, look at other work in 
>>this area, and make an initial recommendation to the council as to 
>>whether the chapter should be retained and revised or discarded, in 
>>P5.  It was suggested that recruiting for this task force could be done 
>>on TEI-L, and Chris Catton (from the stand-off markup workgroup that 
>>David Durand is chairing) was also named as someone with experience and 
>>an interest in this topic.
>>
>>Is this something you'd be willing to take on?
>>
>>John
>
>
>--
>Patrick Durusau
>Director of Research and Development
>Society of Biblical Literature
><mailto:pdurusau at emory.edu>pdurusau at emory.edu
>Co-Editor, ISO Reference Model for Topic Maps