conference call (fwd)
Syd Bauman
Syd_Bauman at brown.edu
Mon Jun 24 22:17:54 EDT 2002
> Perry, that wasn't your fault, it was mine.
Too bad. Would have been more fun to blame the Indiana legislature.
<p>> JMU's unofficial minutes
I have not incorporated John's notes into my own (but I have incorp-
orated Merrilee's), but I'm way too tired to do so now. I will be
mostly unavailable tomorrow (Tue 25 Jul), so rather than make y'all
wait 2 days, I'm sending what I have now. W/o John's notes, and not
proofread. If you're anxious, read it now; if you'd prefer the
improved version, should have that out on Thu 27 morning.
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<title>TEI Council 2002-06-24 Conference Call Notes</title>
<author>Syd Bauman</author>
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<publicationStmt>
<p>Intended for distribution to TEI Council members for
corrections; corrected version to TEI Secretary for
archiving.</p>
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<sourceDesc>
<p>No sourse; this electronic version is the source.</p>
<p>This document was created from the notes I took (in TEI
Lite, btw) during the conversation, with some additions
provided by the notes MP took and sent to me; with a few
afterthoughts as well, usually relegated to <note>
elements.</p>
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<front>
<div type="glossary">
<p>Names are copied-and-pasted from TEI website, so don't
blame me for misspellings :-).</p>
<list>
<head>Initialis Used for People</head>
<item><term>SB</term> <gloss>Syd Bauman</gloss></item>
<item><term>LB</term> <gloss>Lou Burnard</gloss></item>
<item><term>MD</term> <gloss>Matthew Driscoll</gloss></item>
<item><term>DD</term> <gloss>David Durand</gloss></item>
<item><term>TE</term> <gloss>Tomaž Erjavec</gloss></item>
<item><term>DB</term> <gloss>David J. Birnbaum</gloss></item>
<item><term>FJ</term> <gloss>Fotis Jannidis</gloss></item>
<item><term>MM</term> <gloss>Martin Mueller</gloss></item>
<item><term>MP</term> <gloss>Merrilee Proffitt</gloss></item>
<item><term>SR</term> <gloss>Sebastian Rahtz</gloss></item>
<item><term>PR</term> <gloss>Peter Robinson</gloss></item>
<item><term>GR</term> <gloss>Geoffrey Rockwell</gloss></item>
<item><term>LR</term> <gloss>Laurent Romary</gloss></item>
<item><term>JU</term> <gloss>John Unsworth</gloss></item>
<item><term>PW</term> <gloss>C. Perry Willett</gloss></item>
<item><term>CW</term> <gloss>Christian Wittern</gloss></item>
</list>
</div>
</front>
<body>
<div type="prelim">
<p>Call commenced at ~ 12:01-00 with GR, SB, FJ, PW, MP, LB,
SR, JU, DB; MD joined a bit later; CW & TE never joined
(nor did DD nor LR, but that was expected).</p>
<p>CW & TE, it turns out, were the victims of mistaken
timezone.</p>
</div>
<div n="1" type="agendaItem">
<head>committee reports</head>
<div n="1B" type="subAgendaItem">
<head>Training</head>
<p>GR explained the training committee had written 1 general
and 2 specific (for Chicago 2002-10, and for GA 2003) RFPs
for training courses. Suggested that within a few weeks all
3 would be edited & posted. SB said the programme
committee for the Oct member's meeting would like that
specific RFP out ASAP, preferably shortly after MMs return. GR
thinks that's reasonable (he will be talking to MM on phone
circa 06-28).</p>
<p>Thanks to the training committee for this work.</p>
<p>Lou recommends that the three RFPs be combined into one;
general agreement, there should be one RFP, with an
appendix that gives particulars for upcoming events that
require specific proposals.
<action>
<name>GR</name>
<resp>Inform training committee of recommendation from
Council to combine RFPs</resp>
</action>
<action>
<name>training committee</name>
<resp>Combine RFPs into one general with reference to
the two specific events, perhaps as an
appendix.</resp>
</action><note>In retrospect, I am not yet 100% convinced
of the wisdom of this, and plan to send the council
thoughts on the matter if I am still unconvinced after
discussing w/ GR. -- Syd</note></p>
<p>GR notes that, esp. for proposals for training at the Oct
member's meeting, they do not have to be full-blown
proposals. SB points out that programme committee is
expecting a 1-day training on Thu 2002-10-10.</p>
<p>Although questions about an RFP may (or should) be sent to
the training committee, and questions about the venue, etc.,
may (or should) be sent to the local organizer, the
Proposals themselves should be sent to JU, who will forward
them to the Council for [dis]approval.</p>
<p>Motion that amended (as discussed) RFPs be accepted; passed.</p>
<p><action>
<name>LB</name>
<name>SR</name>
<resp>send a response to the general RFP for their 15 Jul
course</resp>
<by date="2002-07-01"/></action></p>
</div>
<div n="1A" type="subAgendaItem">
<head>certification</head>
<p>Software certification discussion: we're leaning towards
encouraging reviews of software (cull form TEI-L?)
(certify reviewers? certify reviews?)
<action>
<name>MD</name>
<name>SB to proof if MD wants</name>
<resp>write a draft certification policy</resp>
</action>
<action>
<name>SR</name>
<name>LB</name>
<resp>cull the list for reviews to put on website</resp>
</action><note>LB & SR — if you like, let me
know when you're ready to roll, and I'll send you an
archive of the list. -- SB</note>
So we are shifting from certification to reviews.</p>
</div>
</div>
<div n="2" type="agendaItem">
<head>P5</head>
<div n="2A" type="subAgendaItem">
<head>core tags and schema</head>
<p>Discussion of SR's proposal <bibl><title>notes for
conference call on 24th</title> <date>2002-06-24
00:25+01</date></bibl>-- SB thinks timescale
aggresive, but SR & JU think it's reasonable (better
to have too aggresive a deadline than none at all).</p>
<p>SB agrees strongly that TSD become an additional tagset,
and that P5 be written in (possibly extended) TSD.</p>
<p>SR suggests Son of Odd report for members meeting
2002-10; SB suggests [dis]approval by Council in 2003-01;
SR recommends including discussions of manuscript, char
sets, standoff to that 2003-01 council meeting; MP reports
manuscript should be ready.</p>
<p>Within the discussion there was concensus that it's
important to change from DTD notation to some other
notation inside <elemDecl>s (whether a pre-existing
schema or our own is still an open question), and to allow
multiple schema output from odds (i.e., to give TEI users
choice in which schema language they use to validate their
TEI documents).</p>
<p>Motion to accept SR's timetable as a framework approved.</p>
<p><action>
<name>SR</name>
<resp>talk to PR or SB about getting a timeslot to
report on Son of Odd at 2002-10 member's meeting in
Chicago, perhaps as part of editor's report.</resp>
</action> SB reports that he thinks the preliminary plan
already has 20 mins for editors and a separate 20 mins for
SR.</p>
</div>
<div n="2B" type="subAgendaItem">
<head>character encoding WG update</head>
<p>LB reports on char sets WG progress -- lots of discussion
via e-mail, mostly centered on how much of the world's
problems Unicode solves. Face-to-face WG meeting planned
for 2002-07-23/24 in Tübingen (in conjunction with
ALLC/ACH 2002). Both SB & plan to be present. WG is
working on detailed proposals for a replacement to WSD
mechanism which LB (& SB) expect will be discussed at
WG meeting in Tübingen. CW doing good job keeping it
going w/o domination by a particular person or
constituency.</p>
<p>Council agreed that requirement for 1.5 days of meeting
in order to obtain TEI reimbursement be waved, if needed,
for this WG meeting. It was suggested that council need
not vote, that chair could just do this
unilaterally.<action>
<name>JU</name>
<resp>Notify CW of relaxed restriction of 1.5 days for
character sets WG meeting in Tübingen
2002-07.</resp>
</action><note>Since the council had agreed, I didn't take
up valuable phone time saying this, but I think it is
important that no single individual have the power to
unilaterally make exceptions to or grant exemptions from
promulgated rules or procedures like those in ED W 54. I
think that such decisions need to be reserved for the
council or board, or for a pre-defined group of officers
(chair and both editors; chair, executive director, one
editor; chair, executive director, one host representive
— idunno)</note>
</p>
</div>
<div n="2C" type="subAgendaItem">
<head>stand-off markup, xlink, xpointer WG</head>
<p>SB reported on WG progress by briefly reading some
sections of DD's mail to group
<bibl><date>2002-06-19T16:31-04,</date>
<title>startup</title></bibl>:
<quote>… it's past time for us to start up.
… trying to get John Garofolo of NIST to join the
group; if he does not, I will entertain suggestions of
corpus linguists who might join the group. … an
email list, supplemented by a regular conference call
… initial suggestion that the call be on
alternate Wednesdays, starting on 2002-06-26, at
13:00-00. … attached the preliminary
<soCalled>charge</soCalled> … Preliminary agenda:
<list>
<item>introductions</item>
<item>proceedures: …</item>
<item>time limit: …</item>
<item>reactions to charge: …</item>
</list>
</quote>
</p>
<p>Council wanted assurance that an editor would be
available for each call; SB & LB do not think this
will be a problem.</p>
<p>Someone voiced concern as to whether or not council
should be worried about lack of progress —
[preliminary or draft? -- SB] report is due [2002-08-01 or
2002-10-11? -- SB]. SB said no need to worry yet, but
should recheck after [2 or 3] of the planned conference
calls (and then become concerned if little or no
progress).
<action>
<name>SB or LB (whichever one makes conference call)</name>
<resp>keep council posted on WG progress</resp>
</action>
</p>
</div>
<div n="2D" type="subAgendaItem">
<head>medieval MSS description</head>
<p>While MP may not be at member's meeting (snif! What's
wrong with a TEI meeting as a honeymoon? Well,
congratulations in any case), she is still hopeful that
she and MD can get together this summer to hammer out
differences in manuscript description stuff.</p>
</div>
<div n="3" type="agendaItem">
<head>next meeting, assignments, future business</head>
<p>Future meetings: We like conference calls; SB suggests
one roughly every 3 months.
<action>
<name>JU</name>
<resp>schedule future council conference calls</resp>
</action> Perry is willing to continue hosting them. (And
subsequently agreed to post notices in UTC, preferably in
an unambiguous format).</p>
<p>SR points out we need to have firm deadlines before
2003-01 face-to-face, as it's expensive.</p>
</div>
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[1] wwbvxiyhtrd = what would be valid XML if you had the right DTD.
If you actually want it, I'd be happy to send it (as either TEI
extension files or as a pizza-page flattened DTD) along.
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