Re: [sixties-l] Re: coup coup coup

From: Jesse Lemisch (
Date: 12/17/00

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    As I've mentioned before, it pollutes our comprehension of reality, and
    blocks our ability to deal with reality, to call what's been happening a
    "coup." (Pro-Clinton propagandists, including some academic flacks, earlier
    referred to the impeachment as a "coup.") It in no way implies that this
    country is without horrors to point out that this isn't Chile.
    Jesse Lemisch
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    > In a message dated 12/16/0 6:53:58 AM, writes:
    > << On another point--Stew, I remember in France 8 months before Allende's
    > overthrow, people (inc. some residents from Chile) were worrying it might
    > happen; and, that September day in 1973 here when I saw the SFChronicle
    > headline "Allende overthrown in Chile," there had been for maybe a week
    > commentary (re the truckers etc.) that this was coming; I remember the
    > of horror, yet not of the unexpected, on seeing those words.  --I don't
    > question the persons or media or whatever you saw there weren't expecting
    > but how did that happen?  Please let me know (off or on list); thanks. >>
    > Paula
    > I went to Chile, I guess it was six months to a  year before the coup,
    > Phil Ochs and Jerry Rubin. We talked to Chileans of every stripe - and yes
    > (as I said in my posting) many, but not all socialists and communists were
    > expecting a coup. But these raducals stressed Chile's democratic
    > and thought the coup would be non-violent and creating a briefly serving
    > junta. Then there would be new elections. So, it would be a coup because
    > Allende would not get to serve out his term - but it would not lead to
    > barbarism and fascism. Phil and I thinking, of the Spanish Civil War
    > disagreed with the Chileans. Jerry thought they were right. And like I
    > some of them, like our friend Victor Jara were murdered. It's possible
    > as the coup came closer some of them realized how bloody it would be - but
    > continuing correspondence with some - (not Jara) did not indicate that
    > development. --Stew

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