Terrible typo. Khrushchev did not threaten "the U.S. of", but "the use of"
missiles against the Anglo-French-Israeli invaders of Egypt in 1956 in their effort
to seize the Suez Canal.
Bill Mandel
John Johnson wrote:
> Im obviously talking about public perceptions and why only 200 showed up at
> a rally rather then the reality of the situation.
>
> If there wasn't a link there is now. Should Jews have their own country
> would be answered yes by all but the most anti-Semitic.
>
> There has been a long standing position in the opposition that Israel
> should not exist at all, for some real reasons but that position will never
> be viable. There is also a long standing religious aspect to the
> conflict. Just as their is around the world today. Of course most to do
> not exist in isolation, there are usually overlaying political and
> economics behind such conflicts, but the religious ones add fuel and
> divisions.
>
> During anti-war campaigns during the bombing of Kosovo, the Albanians would
> should up and have religious ceremonies, a hour later the Serbs would do
> the same thing. Most of the leftist there would be standing off, not
> particularly wanted to disrespect or support either.
>
> Because of and also despite of other aspects. the religious ones including
> the claim of the hill by both is important at the moment. Possession of
> the Temple Mount and the control of Jerusalem are the what are the center
> of the current battles. In a better more democratic situation, such could
> be negotiated but of course that has never existed there and what is has to
> be dealt with. I personally have no position on these issues themselves
> and doubt many others not directly involved do either.
>
> But a recent survive posted shows most are against Israeli soldiers using
> live ammunition and are taken back by the violence.
>
> >The Israelis now admit that the shooting of the 12-year-old was a "mistake."
> >There is no basic link in our culture with Israel. This country was
> >anti-Semitic
> >as hell until it was discovered that Israel was willing to serve as our
> >anchored
> >aircraft carrier vs. the Soviet Union. I still have the issue of Collier's
> >imagining World War III, with Lowell Thomas describing his trip on an American
> >bomber out of Tel Aviv.
> > The U.S. propaganda machine went all-out to change the people's minds
> > about
> >Jews, exactly as it did the opposite at the same time about Our Great Soviet
> >Ally.. Exactly as, when it was decided that the U.S. needed and could get
> >Japan as
> >an ally against the USSR, the former references to "Japs"disappeared from the
> >mainstream press, radio, and TV. I think that the fact that you are
> >resident in
> >Los Angeles distorts your view, as would be the case if you lived in New York.
> > When I said on Pacifica'a air in 1967 that Israel did not necessarily
> > have all
> >justice on its side in that year's Six-Day War, KPFK and WBAI, which had
> >carried
> >me without interruption from the day the former was founded and, in the latter
> >case, even before it was given to Pacifica, took me off the air. Listener
> >protest
> >got me back on again (which is why I haven't given up this time, after
> >five years
> >off KPFA).
> > For christ's sake, the issue is not the ownership of a hill, but of a
> > country.
> >Hezbollah and Hamas are significant because two generations of young
> >people have
> >grown up knowing nothing but occupation. And there is no worse political
> >provocateur on earth than Ariel Sharon, who is responsible for the
> >massacres at
> >Sabra and Shatillah, and earlier ones, and went to that hill last week not
> >as a
> >private citizen but with a bodyguard of cops who forcibly cleared people away.
> >
> >William Mandel
> >
> >John Johnson wrote:
> >
> > > The main movements going on have been centered on anti-sweatshop campaigns,
> > > local labor issues, the environmental movement. They combined in the
> > > WTO/INF campaigns.
> > > Groups like Amnesty International have active chapters on many campuses.
> > > This is a big advance since the money driven days of the Eighties.
> > > Still no broader political movement.
> > >
> > > I think it will have hard to mount a campaign around Israel. There is a
> > > basic link our culture has with Israel. The Palestinian movement can be
> > > complicated to understand for many. Hezbola and similar groups seem
> > > centered on a very pro Muslim agenda, which doesn't resonate here.
> > >
> > > The current situation as reported is also a bit confusing. Both claim
> > > ownership of a hill, both with a long history. Its not even up to us to
> > > decide whos rights there.
> > > The actors in a sense seem to be equally liable. As the cameraman who took
> > > the video of the 12 year old being shot said, "both Palestinians and
> > > Israelis bare responsibility for that.
> > >
> > > It will take a longer more detailed campaign to clarify the issues.
> > >
> > > >I too find it disheartening to hear of so few persons demonstrating on
> > the UC
> > > >campus. I am not sure the rally's being re Israel accounts for the
> > lack of
> > > >response, especially, though. In spite of the--very, very
> > > >hopeful--activities the past year re WTO and re various ecological
> > issues, in
> > > >fact other than an occasional expressions of "Oh those dot.coms!" or "Hey,
> > > >cool," very LITTLE political expression has come out of campuses, at least
> > > >from what I've heard, recently.
> > > > But I'm not in the academic world. What is the sense of you on
> > this list
> > > >who are, on student political consciousness or activity now?
> > > > Paula
> > >
> > > John Johnson
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