Re: [sixties-l] teeny tiny protests on Sproul Steps

From: John Johnson (
Date: 10/06/00

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    Im obviously talking about public perceptions and why only 200 showed up at 
    a rally rather then the reality of the situation.
    If there wasn't a link there is now.  Should Jews have their own country 
    would be answered yes by all but the most anti-Semitic.
    There has been a long standing position in the opposition that Israel 
    should not exist at all, for some real reasons but that position will never 
    be viable.  There is also a long standing religious aspect to the 
    conflict.  Just as their is around the world today.  Of course most to do 
    not exist in isolation, there are usually  overlaying political and 
    economics behind such conflicts, but the religious ones add fuel and 
    During anti-war campaigns during the bombing of Kosovo, the Albanians would 
    should up and have religious ceremonies, a hour later the Serbs would do 
    the same thing.  Most of the leftist there would be standing off, not 
    particularly wanted to disrespect or support either.
    Because of and also despite of other aspects. the religious ones including 
    the claim of the hill by both is important at the moment.  Possession of 
    the  Temple Mount and the control of Jerusalem are the what are the center 
    of the current battles. In a better more democratic situation, such could 
    be negotiated but of course that has never existed there and what is has to 
    be dealt with.  I personally have no position on these issues themselves 
    and doubt many others not directly involved do either.
    But a recent survive posted shows most are against Israeli soldiers using 
    live ammunition and are taken back by the violence.
    >The Israelis now admit that the shooting of the 12-year-old was a "mistake."
    >There is no basic link in our culture with Israel. This country was 
    >as hell until it was discovered that Israel was willing to serve as our 
    >aircraft carrier vs. the Soviet Union. I still have the issue of Collier's
    >imagining World War III, with Lowell Thomas describing his trip on an American
    >bomber out of Tel Aviv.
    >     The U.S. propaganda machine went all-out to change the people's minds 
    > about
    >Jews, exactly as it did the opposite at the same time about Our Great Soviet
    >Ally.. Exactly as, when it was decided that the U.S. needed and could get 
    >Japan as
    >an ally against the USSR, the former references to "Japs"disappeared from the
    >mainstream press, radio, and TV. I think that the fact that you are 
    >resident in
    >Los Angeles distorts your view, as would be the case if you lived in New York.
    >     When I said on Pacifica'a air in 1967 that Israel did not necessarily 
    > have all
    >justice on its side in that year's Six-Day War, KPFK and WBAI, which had 
    >me without interruption from the day the former was founded and, in the latter
    >case, even before it was given to Pacifica, took me off the air. Listener 
    >got me back on again (which is why I haven't given up this time, after 
    >five years
    >off KPFA).
    >     For christ's sake, the issue is not the ownership of a hill, but of a 
    > country.
    >Hezbollah and Hamas are significant because two generations of young 
    >people have
    >grown up knowing nothing but occupation. And there is no worse political
    >provocateur on earth than Ariel Sharon, who is responsible for the 
    >massacres at
    >Sabra and Shatillah, and earlier ones, and went to that hill last week not 
    >as a
    >private citizen but with a bodyguard of cops who forcibly cleared people away.
    >William Mandel
    >John Johnson wrote:
    > > The main movements going on have been centered on anti-sweatshop campaigns,
    > > local labor issues, the environmental movement.  They combined in the
    > > WTO/INF campaigns.
    > > Groups like Amnesty International have active chapters on many campuses.
    > > This is a big advance since the money driven days of the Eighties.
    > > Still no broader political movement.
    > >
    > > I think it will have hard to mount a campaign around Israel.  There is a
    > > basic link our culture has with Israel.  The Palestinian movement can be
    > > complicated to understand for many.  Hezbola and similar groups seem
    > > centered on a very pro Muslim agenda, which doesn't resonate here.
    > >
    > > The current situation as reported is also a bit confusing.  Both claim
    > > ownership of a hill, both with a long history.  Its not even up to us to
    > > decide whos rights there.
    > > The actors in a sense seem to be equally liable.  As the cameraman who took
    > > the video of the 12 year old being shot said,  "both Palestinians and
    > > Israelis bare responsibility for that.
    > >
    > > It will take a longer more detailed campaign to clarify the issues.
    > >
    > > >I too find it disheartening to hear of so few persons demonstrating on 
    > the UC
    > > >campus.  I am not sure the rally's being re Israel accounts for the 
    > lack of
    > > >response, especially, though.  In spite of the--very, very
    > > >hopeful--activities the past year re WTO and re various ecological 
    > issues, in
    > > >fact other than an occasional expressions of "Oh those dot.coms!" or "Hey,
    > > >cool," very LITTLE political expression has come out of campuses, at least
    > > >from what I've heard, recently.
    > > >   But I'm not in the academic world.  What is the sense of you on 
    > this list
    > > >who are, on student political consciousness or activity now?
    > > >    Paula
    > >
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