Next you'll be posting messages from the Hale Bopp Cometeers.
sixties@lists.village.virginia.edu wrote:
> modr8r note:
> this post apparently came from another list and I am letting
> it through because it has some interesting allegations contained within.
> however, if anyone is compelled to respond, please do not replicate the
> 'personal attack style' of the message. thx!
> ==========================================================
> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:56:07 -0700
> To: sixties-l@lists.village.virginia.edu
> From: radman <resist@best.com>
> Subject: Fwd: Alex Constantine v. David Horowitz
>
> From the New Paradigms Discussion List
>
> From: "Alex Constantine" <alexx12@mediaone.net>
> Subject: Alex Constantine v. David Horowitz
> Date: Thursday, August 24, 2000 1:36 AM
>
> To: David Horowitz
>
> THE FBI MURDERED 28 BLACK PANTHERS and the Bureau set others up for arrest
> on false homicide charges, etc. Your explanation for moving to the Fascist
> Right is a smug deception, and you are full of sh-t. I challenge you to an
> open debate in the forum of your choosing. All I ask is that you select a
> venue where your CIA sponsors (Scaife, etc.) have no pull. A tit-for-tat to
> be posted on the Internet is fine by me. I have published five books on
> Fascism, so there is no need to condescend. Take me up on this challenge,
> you insufferable, hairy stinkbug, because I will write about you anyway,
> with or without your input.
> Alex Constantine
> 6-22-00
>
> Horowitz responds:
> You are such an ignoramus I have to refer you to an article written thirty
> years ago by Edward J. Epstein in the New Yorker which investigated the
> self-serving Panther claims and found them empty. Also, watch your language.
> This is a family publication. D.H.
>
> Dear Fat Mole:
> You constantly play on the assumption that those of us 'out here' listening
> to your Ultra disinformation are 'ignoramuses.' You seem convinced that you
> can get away with any old lie, pass it off as fact, and the Boobocracy will
> never know the difference.
>
> Directing your readers to an article by Edward J. Epstein only reinforces
> the point I made concerning your ties to the CIA, because Epstein has long
> been on cozy terms with the 'Company.' Your reference, then, is an 'inside
> job.'
> Here are a few cites for you, too, David:
> Robin Ramsey, the editor of Lobster, a magazine about intelligence
> operations published in the UK, writes: 'Edward J. Epstein published a
> series of articles that later, in 1978, were the basis for his book, Legend:
> The Secret World of Lee Harvey Oswald. The articles, and especially the
> book, publicized for the first time clashes that had occurred within the
> Agency between the Counterintelligence (CI) Staff and the Soviet Division
> over the bona fides of a KGB defector named Yuriy Nosenko. Because Epstein's
> writings contained so much information about sensitive CIA and FBI
> operations, it was generally assumed he had a willing and knowledgeable
> source, either a serving officer (considered doubtful) or a retired senior
> person with wide knowledge of anti-Soviet operations overseas and in the
> United States. Neither the articles nor the book was annotated, however.
> Epstein stated that he had spoken occasionally with James Angleton, the
> retired chief of CIA's CI Staff, but did not acknowledge that he was the
> source.' Further, there is a passage concerning 'the massive Anglo-American
> media attention devoted to Edward J. Epstein's book Legend in 1973. In that
> Epstein sought to re-establish the Warren Commission's verdict that Lee
> Harvey Oswald alone did the dirty deed; but adding to it the suggestion
> that he had been got at by the KGB. Oswald was still a 'lone nut' but somehow
> the KGB's 'lone nut'. In fact, despite spending a great deal of Readers
> Digest research money, Epstein found no evidence that Oswald was KGB, and
> his rehash of the Warren Commission's version of the shooting in Dallas was
> as inept as its progenitor. Why did he do it? Epstein was by then the
> spokesman for James Jesus Angleton, the paranoid former head of CIA Counter
> Intelligence who had been sacked in 1974.'
> In The Last Investigation, Gaeton Fonzi puts a finer point on it. He
> notes that although Epsteins Inquest was 'one of the first books critical
> of the Warren Commission, Epstein's contacts with the CIA were considered
> suspicious by many of his fellow critics. In addition, it was known that
> Epstein was then working under a lucrative contract from Reader's Digest, a
> publication that had done cooperative projects with the Agency, to write a
> book that would suggest that Lee Harvey Oswald was an agent of Russia's
> intelligence service, the KGB.'
> If these sources dont suit you, I will be glad to expand on Epstein
> and explain to you why he is not a reputable source.
> You are also a CIA propagandist, albeit a fat and exceptionally
> hypocritical one, and thats why your 'work,' destroying liberalism, appears
> in Human Events, National Review and other 'conservative' magazines
> subsidized by the Agency. This is not so unusual. The Church Committee, as
> you must know, found 400 reporters on the CIA payroll.
> Disinformation <sometimes parading as 'conservative thought,' as your 'work'
> also does> was their game. There are, to this day, scores of media figures
> who 'play ball' with the Agency. One of the most generous funding pools for
> these morally-crippled pukes is Richard Mellon Scaife, who was recruited by
> the CIA for 'Operation Mockingbird,' the systematic infiltration of the
> media, in the 1950s (I documented all of this in 'And Now a Word from Our
> Sponsor ... the CIA,' Virtual Government, Feral House,1997). The fact that
> you are funded by R.M. Scaife, a domestic CIA propagandist, this alone,
> qualifies you as a media 'Mockingbird.' The fact that you publish almost
> exclusively in Agency-funded propaganda outlets, eg. National Review,
> fleshes out a portrait of David Horowitz, a propagandist funded by the
> tax-payer to promote fascism.
> I repeat: 28 Black Panthers were murdered. Tupac Shakur makes 29
> because the leading suspect in his killing, according to the Los Angeles
> Times, is a cop entangled in the Ramparts scandal.
> BTW, Im anxious to discuss your claims concerning Betty Van Patten and
> the Panthers. Ready when you are, stinkbug.
>
> Alex Constantine
>
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