Re: [sixties-l] Fwd: Alex Constantine v. David Horowitz

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Date: Tue Aug 29 2000 - 23:48:17 CUT

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    Next you'll be posting messages from the Hale Bopp Cometeers. wrote:

    > modr8r note:
    > this post apparently came from another list and I am letting
    > it through because it has some interesting allegations contained within.
    > however, if anyone is compelled to respond, please do not replicate the
    > 'personal attack style' of the message. thx!
    > ==========================================================
    > Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:56:07 -0700
    > To:
    > From: radman <>
    > Subject: Fwd: Alex Constantine v. David Horowitz
    > From the New Paradigms Discussion List
    > From: "Alex Constantine" <>
    > Subject: Alex Constantine v. David Horowitz
    > Date: Thursday, August 24, 2000 1:36 AM
    > To: David Horowitz
    > THE FBI MURDERED 28 BLACK PANTHERS and the Bureau set others up for arrest
    > on false homicide charges, etc. Your explanation for moving to the Fascist
    > Right is a smug deception, and you are full of sh-t. I challenge you to an
    > open debate in the forum of your choosing. All I ask is that you select a
    > venue where your CIA sponsors (Scaife, etc.) have no pull. A tit-for-tat to
    > be posted on the Internet is fine by me. I have published five books on
    > Fascism, so there is no need to condescend. Take me up on this challenge,
    > you insufferable, hairy stinkbug, because I will write about you anyway,
    > with or without your input.
    > Alex Constantine
    > 6-22-00
    > Horowitz responds:
    > You are such an ignoramus I have to refer you to an article written thirty
    > years ago by Edward J. Epstein in the New Yorker which investigated the
    > self-serving Panther claims and found them empty. Also, watch your language.
    > This is a family publication. D.H.
    > Dear Fat Mole:
    > You constantly play on the assumption that those of us 'out here' listening
    > to your Ultra disinformation are 'ignoramuses.' You seem convinced that you
    > can get away with any old lie, pass it off as fact, and the Boobocracy will
    > never know the difference.
    > Directing your readers to an article by Edward J. Epstein only reinforces
    > the point I made concerning your ties to the CIA, because Epstein has long
    > been on cozy terms with the 'Company.' Your reference, then, is an 'inside
    > job.'
    > Here are a few cites for you, too, David:
    > Robin Ramsey, the editor of Lobster, a magazine about intelligence
    > operations published in the UK, writes: 'Edward J. Epstein published a
    > series of articles that later, in 1978, were the basis for his book, Legend:
    > The Secret World of Lee Harvey Oswald. The articles, and especially the
    > book, publicized for the first time clashes that had occurred within the
    > Agency between the Counterintelligence (CI) Staff and the Soviet Division
    > over the bona fides of a KGB defector named Yuriy Nosenko. Because Epstein's
    > writings contained so much information about sensitive CIA and FBI
    > operations, it was generally assumed he had a willing and knowledgeable
    > source, either a serving officer (considered doubtful) or a retired senior
    > person with wide knowledge of anti-Soviet operations overseas and in the
    > United States. Neither the articles nor the book was annotated, however.
    > Epstein stated that he had spoken occasionally with James Angleton, the
    > retired chief of CIA's CI Staff, but did not acknowledge that he was the
    > source.' Further, there is a passage concerning 'the massive Anglo-American
    > media attention devoted to Edward J. Epstein's book Legend in 1973. In that
    > Epstein sought to re-establish the Warren Commission's verdict that Lee
    > Harvey Oswald alone did the dirty deed; but adding to it the suggestion
    > that he had been got at by the KGB. Oswald was still a 'lone nut' but somehow
    > the KGB's 'lone nut'. In fact, despite spending a great deal of Readers
    > Digest research money, Epstein found no evidence that Oswald was KGB, and
    > his rehash of the Warren Commission's version of the shooting in Dallas was
    > as inept as its progenitor. Why did he do it? Epstein was by then the
    > spokesman for James Jesus Angleton, the paranoid former head of CIA Counter
    > Intelligence who had been sacked in 1974.'
    > In The Last Investigation, Gaeton Fonzi puts a finer point on it. He
    > notes that although Epsteins Inquest was 'one of the first books critical
    > of the Warren Commission, Epstein's contacts with the CIA were considered
    > suspicious by many of his fellow critics. In addition, it was known that
    > Epstein was then working under a lucrative contract from Reader's Digest, a
    > publication that had done cooperative projects with the Agency, to write a
    > book that would suggest that Lee Harvey Oswald was an agent of Russia's
    > intelligence service, the KGB.'
    > If these sources dont suit you, I will be glad to expand on Epstein
    > and explain to you why he is not a reputable source.
    > You are also a CIA propagandist, albeit a fat and exceptionally
    > hypocritical one, and thats why your 'work,' destroying liberalism, appears
    > in Human Events, National Review and other 'conservative' magazines
    > subsidized by the Agency. This is not so unusual. The Church Committee, as
    > you must know, found 400 reporters on the CIA payroll.
    > Disinformation <sometimes parading as 'conservative thought,' as your 'work'
    > also does> was their game. There are, to this day, scores of media figures
    > who 'play ball' with the Agency. One of the most generous funding pools for
    > these morally-crippled pukes is Richard Mellon Scaife, who was recruited by
    > the CIA for 'Operation Mockingbird,' the systematic infiltration of the
    > media, in the 1950s (I documented all of this in 'And Now a Word from Our
    > Sponsor ... the CIA,' Virtual Government, Feral House,1997). The fact that
    > you are funded by R.M. Scaife, a domestic CIA propagandist, this alone,
    > qualifies you as a media 'Mockingbird.' The fact that you publish almost
    > exclusively in Agency-funded propaganda outlets, eg. National Review,
    > fleshes out a portrait of David Horowitz, a propagandist funded by the
    > tax-payer to promote fascism.
    > I repeat: 28 Black Panthers were murdered. Tupac Shakur makes 29
    > because the leading suspect in his killing, according to the Los Angeles
    > Times, is a cop entangled in the Ramparts scandal.
    > BTW, Im anxious to discuss your claims concerning Betty Van Patten and
    > the Panthers. Ready when you are, stinkbug.
    > Alex Constantine
    > Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List,
    > not necessarily endorsed...

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