this post apparently came from another list and I am letting
it through because it has some interesting allegations contained within.
however, if anyone is compelled to respond, please do not replicate the
'personal attack style' of the message. thx!
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:56:07 -0700
From: radman <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Fwd: Alex Constantine v. David Horowitz
From the New Paradigms Discussion List
From: "Alex Constantine" <email@example.com>
Subject: Alex Constantine v. David Horowitz
Date: Thursday, August 24, 2000 1:36 AM
To: David Horowitz
THE FBI MURDERED 28 BLACK PANTHERS and the Bureau set others up for arrest
on false homicide charges, etc. Your explanation for moving to the Fascist
Right is a smug deception, and you are full of sh-t. I challenge you to an
open debate in the forum of your choosing. All I ask is that you select a
venue where your CIA sponsors (Scaife, etc.) have no pull. A tit-for-tat to
be posted on the Internet is fine by me. I have published five books on
Fascism, so there is no need to condescend. Take me up on this challenge,
you insufferable, hairy stinkbug, because I will write about you anyway,
with or without your input.
You are such an ignoramus I have to refer you to an article written thirty
years ago by Edward J. Epstein in the New Yorker which investigated the
self-serving Panther claims and found them empty. Also, watch your language.
This is a family publication. D.H.
Dear Fat Mole:
You constantly play on the assumption that those of us 'out here' listening
to your Ultra disinformation are 'ignoramuses.' You seem convinced that you
can get away with any old lie, pass it off as fact, and the Boobocracy will
never know the difference.
Directing your readers to an article by Edward J. Epstein only reinforces
the point I made concerning your ties to the CIA, because Epstein has long
been on cozy terms with the 'Company.' Your reference, then, is an 'inside
Here are a few cites for you, too, David:
Robin Ramsey, the editor of Lobster, a magazine about intelligence
operations published in the UK, writes: 'Edward J. Epstein published a
series of articles that later, in 1978, were the basis for his book, Legend:
The Secret World of Lee Harvey Oswald. The articles, and especially the
book, publicized for the first time clashes that had occurred within the
Agency between the Counterintelligence (CI) Staff and the Soviet Division
over the bona fides of a KGB defector named Yuriy Nosenko. Because Epstein's
writings contained so much information about sensitive CIA and FBI
operations, it was generally assumed he had a willing and knowledgeable
source, either a serving officer (considered doubtful) or a retired senior
person with wide knowledge of anti-Soviet operations overseas and in the
United States. Neither the articles nor the book was annotated, however.
Epstein stated that he had spoken occasionally with James Angleton, the
retired chief of CIA's CI Staff, but did not acknowledge that he was the
source.' Further, there is a passage concerning 'the massive Anglo-American
media attention devoted to Edward J. Epstein's book Legend in 1973. In that
Epstein sought to re-establish the Warren Commission's verdict that Lee
Harvey Oswald alone did the dirty deed; but adding to it the suggestion
that he had been got at by the KGB. Oswald was still a 'lone nut' but somehow
the KGB's 'lone nut'. In fact, despite spending a great deal of Readers
Digest research money, Epstein found no evidence that Oswald was KGB, and
his rehash of the Warren Commission's version of the shooting in Dallas was
as inept as its progenitor. Why did he do it? Epstein was by then the
spokesman for James Jesus Angleton, the paranoid former head of CIA Counter
Intelligence who had been sacked in 1974.'
In The Last Investigation, Gaeton Fonzi puts a finer point on it. He
notes that although Epsteins Inquest was 'one of the first books critical
of the Warren Commission, Epstein's contacts with the CIA were considered
suspicious by many of his fellow critics. In addition, it was known that
Epstein was then working under a lucrative contract from Reader's Digest, a
publication that had done cooperative projects with the Agency, to write a
book that would suggest that Lee Harvey Oswald was an agent of Russia's
intelligence service, the KGB.'
If these sources dont suit you, I will be glad to expand on Epstein
and explain to you why he is not a reputable source.
You are also a CIA propagandist, albeit a fat and exceptionally
hypocritical one, and thats why your 'work,' destroying liberalism, appears
in Human Events, National Review and other 'conservative' magazines
subsidized by the Agency. This is not so unusual. The Church Committee, as
you must know, found 400 reporters on the CIA payroll.
Disinformation <sometimes parading as 'conservative thought,' as your 'work'
also does> was their game. There are, to this day, scores of media figures
who 'play ball' with the Agency. One of the most generous funding pools for
these morally-crippled pukes is Richard Mellon Scaife, who was recruited by
the CIA for 'Operation Mockingbird,' the systematic infiltration of the
media, in the 1950s (I documented all of this in 'And Now a Word from Our
Sponsor ... the CIA,' Virtual Government, Feral House,1997). The fact that
you are funded by R.M. Scaife, a domestic CIA propagandist, this alone,
qualifies you as a media 'Mockingbird.' The fact that you publish almost
exclusively in Agency-funded propaganda outlets, eg. National Review,
fleshes out a portrait of David Horowitz, a propagandist funded by the
tax-payer to promote fascism.
I repeat: 28 Black Panthers were murdered. Tupac Shakur makes 29
because the leading suspect in his killing, according to the Los Angeles
Times, is a cop entangled in the Ramparts scandal.
BTW, Im anxious to discuss your claims concerning Betty Van Patten and
the Panthers. Ready when you are, stinkbug.
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