Re: [sixties-l] Patternse: sixties-l-digest V1 #204

From: Ron Jacobs (
Date: Thu Jun 22 2000 - 12:24:18 CUT

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    Good question, Jeff. I haven't quite resolved it myself. I suppose that,
    as long as one enters any alliance with your (and history's) warnings in
    mind, s/he can make certain alliances on certain issues.
    -ron j

    At 09:39 AM 06/21/2000 +0100, you wrote:
    >I appreciate Ron Jacobs recalling the criticism of Rosa Luxemberg of the
    >German Social Demeocrats who rushed so fast to Germany's entry into WW1
    >that they syumbled over their principles. But I am mystified, if that's
    >the correct word, at Ron's desire to keep folks who have decided to take
    >sides with the empire, the Gitlins of today (or the Social Democrats of
    >yesteryear--or today for that matter) when they will betray their
    >principles, and maybe you, at the first opportunity.
    >Jeff Blankfort
    >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:18:45 -0400
    >> From: Ron Jacobs <>
    >> Subject: Re: [sixties-l] Patterns
    >> I don't want to go too far into the purity trip, since that's what this
    >> desire to read others out of the movement is, but Gitlin has been extremely
    >> supportive of the American empire's attacks on Iraq and Yugoslavia (check
    >> out the article he wrote last spring supporting the bombing of Yugoslavia
    >> in Mother JOnes). As Marty J. knows, a similar scenario regarding former
    >> new leftists and their support of Clinton/Blair's military adventures
    >> played itself out here in Vermont last spring when a group of antiwarriors
    >> took over "socialist" Bernie Sanders' office here in Burlington to protest
    >> his unabashed support of the bombing. This happened in Germany as well
    >> within the Green/Red coalition. Although I still have a difficult time
    >> with so-called leftists supporting any imperial adventure, I also realize
    >> the need for maintaining some kind of rapport with those who do, although I
    >> will never vote for Bernie Sanders again--the support of the attacks on
    >> Yugoslavia was the final straw for me (after his support of the Crime Bill
    >> in 1994 and his continued support of the sanctions/attacks on Iraq, I just
    >> can't go there again). I tend to see this as typical behavior of social
    >> democrats in general throughout history (think Luxemborg/Knieblecht in the
    >> German insurrection after WW I).
    >> HOwever, all that being said, the battle for revolutionary purity was
    >> epidemic in the U.S new left in the late sixties and early seventies.
    >> - -
    >> Ron Jacobs
    >> Burlington, VT

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