18.400 human memory

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   [1] From: Haradda_at_aol.com (9)
         Subject: Re: 18.396 human memory (with traces in Google's)

   [2] From: Pat Galloway <galloway_at_ischool.utexas.edu> (22)
         Subject: Re: 18.396 human memory (with traces in Google's)

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         Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 07:30:56 +0000
         From: Haradda_at_aol.com
         Subject: Re: 18.396 human memory (with traces in Google's)

In a message dated 12/2/2004 1:18:50 AM Mountain Standard Time,
willard_at_LISTS.VILLAGE.VIRGINIA.EDU writes:

The quotation, "If God is dead, all things are permissible," is cited in or
another permutations so frequently in a GOOGLE search that is seems firmly
established. It is always attributed a character in one of Dostoevsky's
books.

The only problem is that no Dostoevsky character ever makes this statement.

Actually the quote is by Voltaire.

David Reed

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         Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 07:31:20 +0000
         From: Pat Galloway <galloway_at_ischool.utexas.edu>
         Subject: Re: 18.396 human memory (with traces in Google's)

Re: "We have met the enemy..."

My brother and I were huge Pogo fans and tended to get anything that was
Pogo oriented, and I have a clear picture in my head of a closing large
panel from a strip from (I think) the "I Go Pogo" book with that quote in
it (I think in a thought balloon from Pogo himself) and including a group
of caricatures of assorted people that Kelly regularly skewered including
J. Edgar Hoover, not the more familiar 1971 polluted-swamp image (for which
see below). I know that the memory can play tricks, but I also know that
that has always been my source, though what I remember is "We have met the
enemy and he is us." I checked the I Go Pogo website
(http://www.igopogo.com/final_authority.htm),
and the quote from Kelly says also: "As years passed, the final paragraph
[quoted in the previous text] was reduced to "We have met the enemy and he
is us," in a few strips having to do with pollution." That leads me to
believe that Kelly did create other strips using it, though I suppose it
could have been collaged together at a later date. This is the 1971 version
printed in his strip for Earth Day (Kelly did not die until 1973 and it was
drawn at least under his supervision if not by him):
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3y3t2/whmte.htm

Pat Galloway
School of Information
University of Texas-Austin
Received on Sat Dec 04 2004 - 02:43:46 EST