18.259 online ruins and grottoes

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   [1] From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim_at_panix.com> (36)
         Subject: Re: 18.257 online ruins and grottoes?

   [2] From: Vika Zafrin <amarena_at_gmail.com> (18)
         Subject: Re: [humanist] 18.257 online ruins and grottoes?

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         Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 08:19:38 +0100
         From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim_at_panix.com>
         Subject: Re: 18.257 online ruins and grottoes?

One thing closely related - there _are_ ruins on MOOs like post-modern
culture moo, projects half-started, half-finished, with the authors long
gone - it's eerie running around these spaces - Media MOO is another example -

If a webpage _looks like_ a ruin, it isn't. Simon Mills and I did a website
- http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/lost/ - the Lost Project for trace - which was
designed to look like a 'failure' or mess. But the programming for this was
extensive - to a view page..

- Alan

On Sat, 2 Oct 2004, Humanist Discussion Group (by way of Willard
McCarty <willard.mccarty_at_kcl.ac.uk>) wrote:

> Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 18, No. 257.
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> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 07:49:51 +0100
> From: Geoffrey Rockwell <georock_at_mcmaster.ca>
> >
>Following on Francois' post asking about "the value of the fragment as a
>genre in Humanities Computing" I would also ask if anyone knows of
>fragmentary web sites that were deliberately created as fragments - to be
>the grottoes of the Internet.
>
>The Internet Archive http://www.archive.org/ is one place to find old
>sites. Ghost Sties has essays and images of failed web sites
>http://www.disobey.com/ghostsites/mef.shtml. But, can anyone think of
>fragmentary sites like follies - designed to look like ancient ruins?
>
>Geoffrey Rockwell

recent http://www.asondheim.org/ WVU 2004 projects
http://www.as.wvu.edu/clcold/sondheim/files/ recent related to WVU
http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim
Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm partial
mirror at http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt

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         Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 08:20:26 +0100
         From: Vika Zafrin <amarena_at_gmail.com>
         Subject: Re: [humanist] 18.257 online ruins and grottoes?

Dear Geoffrey,

Your question about fragmentary sites reminded me of one of my
favorite pieces of web writing. It's The Fall of the House of Marsha
by Rob Wittig, available here:

http://www.tank20.com/MARSHA/

Rob is a writer and designer, whose net art has had a long history: he
was one of the organizers of the Invisible Seattle Project, and later
wrote about it in a book called Invisible Rendezvous: Connections and
Collaboration in the New Landscape of Electronic Writing. The rest of
Rob's work at tank20.com is also worth a look.

Yours,
-Vika

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