17.817 what's needed

From: Humanist Discussion Group (by way of Willard McCarty willard.mccarty@kcl.ac.uk)
Date: Fri May 07 2004 - 16:56:42 EDT

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                   Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 17, No. 817.
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       [1] From: Matt Kirschenbaum <mk235@umail.umd.edu> (19)
             Subject: Re: 17.802 what's needed?

       [2] From: Maurizio Lana <m.lana@lett.unipmn.it> (25)
             Subject: Re: 17.813 what's needed; pedagogical use of text-

       [3] From: Shlomo Argamon <argamon@iit.edu> (14)
             Subject: RE: 17.813 what's needed?

             Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:06:51 +0100
             From: Matt Kirschenbaum <mk235@umail.umd.edu>
             Subject: Re: 17.802 what's needed?

    Willard asks "what's needed." I would like to see this community able to
    document some specific instances of new knowledge that has been created
    as a direct result of access to text analysis or digital resources in
    the humanities. By this I don't just mean generic statements like, "with
    the advent of the Blake Archive I can compare images from dozens of his
    different illuminated books." I also don't mean linguistic computing,
    where such successes are well known and documented. For those working in
    text anaylsis, electronic editing, digital libraries, and related
    fields: are we able to point to actual cases where a problem has been
    solved, a question has been answered, received wisdom has been
    overturned, or new things have been learned? In the same way we can
    point to new knowledge that has come from the advent of the Hinman
    collator or the scanning electron microscope.

    Positivistic? Maybe, but it strikes me that this community has done a
    very good job in articulating the ways in which humanities computing is
    capable of raising questions; time to see whether we're also any good at
    answering them? Matt

    Matthew G. Kirschenbaum_____________________________

             Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:07:12 +0100
             From: Maurizio Lana <m.lana@lett.unipmn.it>
             Subject: Re: 17.813 what's needed; pedagogical use of text-analysis

    At 07.48 21/04/2004, you wrote:
    >Three things come to mind as having served well in other fields and which
    >could be applied to humanities computing.
    >The first is from mathematics, namely the creation of a series of "grand
    >challenges" to the members of the discipline.
    >The second is from computational linguistics and information retrieval,
    >namely to host "competitions" in which software competitors attempt to
    >solve a hard problem in which evaluation of competing systems has proven
    >difficult to assess.
    >The third method is from computer science and computational linguistics,
    >namely to produce standards for the field.

    the "ad hoc attribution contest" of Patrick Juola seems to address all of
    these suggestions.
    it would be interesting to hear Patrick explain if and how did he have them
    in mind.
    by the way he comes from the the dept. of mathematics and computer science
    of the duquesne university.


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             Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:07:29 +0100
             From: Shlomo Argamon <argamon@iit.edu>
             Subject: RE: 17.813 what's needed?

    Briefly, on this general topic, I would like to personally urge those of you
    interested in this issue and with something to say to submit abstracts,
    position papers, or full articles to the AAAI Symposium that I am
    co-chairing this October on style-related issues in computing (the CFP was
    recently posted here). Most/many attendees will likely come mainly from a
    computing perspective, so people from a more "humanity-centric" perspective
    will be particularly welcome, to improve the relevance of the meeting.

    If there are any questions about this, please do not hesitate to email me

    Shlomo Argamon

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