17.435 taking exception to pop-ups

From: Humanist Discussion Group (by way of Willard McCarty willard.mccarty@kcl.ac.uk)
Date: Sun Dec 07 2003 - 04:49:23 EST

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       [1] From: lachance@origin.chass.utoronto.ca (Francois (30)
             Subject: Re: 17.431 taking exception to pop-ups

       [2] From: "Jitka Horcickova" <jitka6@hotmail.com> (10)
             Subject: RE: 17.431 taking exception to pop-ups

       [3] From: "Lisa L. Spangenberg" (9)
             Subject: Re: 17.431 taking exception to pop-ups

       [4] From: Humanist <dgants@rogers.com> (38)
             Subject: FW: pop-up windows

             Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 09:24:40 +0000
             From: lachance@origin.chass.utoronto.ca (Francois Lachance)
             Subject: Re: 17.431 taking exception to pop-ups

    Tito & Willard,

    How many subscribers to Humanist use Lynx or a similar browser? No pop
    ups. Do other browsers have a feautre that allows users to turn off
    Javascript recognition and thus avoid the popup popping?

    Second question: how many subscribers house work on such free hosting
    services as Geocities? What arrangements do institutions have to provide
    WWW hosting services to what could be termed "electronic fellows"?

    Likewise it is worth noting that some subscribers participate via free
    email providers. Interesting that window control crosses a line with some
    readers. -- the Task Manager in a Micorsoft Windows platform allows a user
    to shut down an application and all the associated windows with a few
    clicks or tabs through a dialogue box invoked by Control+Alt+Del. Mac
    users have a less tortuous Command+Q route. In both cases the History
    cache of the browser then helps the user return to the surf trail they had

    I would be interested in reading stories about irritations that became
    learning experiences.

    > I opened the link recommended in this message:

    > and I was inundated by windows popping up here and there, which I
    > could cancel only after much time. This is absolutely not
    > correct, in my opinion. Tito Orlandi

    Francois Lachance, Scholar-at-large

    Wondering if...

    mnemonic is to analytic as mimetic is to synthetic

    --[2]------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 09:26:08 +0000 From: "Jitka Horcickova" <jitka6@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: 17.431 taking exception to pop-ups

    Dear Mr. Orlandi,

    I also think that pop ups are not correct, but why don't you try the fantastic google toolbar, it blocks all the popups, yet you have the option to allow them when needed ;-) Just go to www.google.com and you will see the link at the bottom of the page. I would advice you to download the bar in English as it has the additional option AutoFill which fills automatically any form with the data you gave it.

    Jitka Horcickova Uni Cattolica Brescia, Italy

    --[3]------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 09:26:51 +0000 From: "Lisa L. Spangenberg" <lisaspangenberg@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: 17.431 taking exception to pop-ups

    Well, no, it's not, as you put it "correct," nor desirable, but since hosting a web site can be expensive, increasingly scholars are turning to "free" hosting services who present ads. Geocities is one such service.

    There are browsers, like Mozilla, and Safari (for those using Mac OS X) which prohibit most such "pop-ups" as well as inexpensive and free software which performs much the same service.

    This might be an opportunity for some academic institution to offer to host the Joyce conference site pro bono.

    Lisa L. Spangenberg

    --[4]------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 09:25:32 +0000 From: Humanist <dgants@rogers.com> Subject: FW: pop-up windows

    I have received two responses to my protest against pop-up windows. One from David Harrison mentions a possible defence:

    > The Opera browser... > > http://www.opera.com > > ...has a 'Refuse pop-up windows' feature. This helps, but can conflict with > Java or Javascript which may use a pop-up window in normal operation.

    The other, from Stewart Arneil, makes some comment:

    > The page you refer to is hosted by www.geocities.com. This is an > internet provider that does not charge its customers to host web > pages. Instead, it charges advertisers and then inserts their ads > into the pages hosted on their server, with the result that you > observed. > > The solution to this is to get whoever owns that page to use a > different Internet Hosting Company, which means paying to host their > own pages rather than inconveniencing their audience as you have > experienced.

    I think of a different solution, i.e. that pages of academic interest be hosted by academic, that is university, servers, whose pages are without unnecessary pop-ups and free of charge. At least this is my experience. Responsibles should be encouraged to be broadminded about the "afference" of research results to their institution, in case such research does not directly depend on one of their departments etc.

    On the other hand, researchers should be alerted on the fact that their pages should be as austere and simple as the normal printed academic books.

    The Humanist community might be interested. Tito Orlandi

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