Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 14, No. 295. Centre for Computing in the Humanities, King's College London <http://www.princeton.edu/~mccarty/humanist/> <http://www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/humanist/> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:14:05 +0100 From: "Osher Doctorow" <osher@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: 14.0277 methodological primitives From: Osher Doctorow, osher@ix.netcom.com, Wed. Sept. 27, 2000, 6:02AM Dear Colleagues, I commend the discussants [don't be concerned about my coining words - I it all the time, at no expense to myself] of methodological primitives, including myself, for their zeal if not their concise summarizing skills. I myself was obscure in one of my earlier contributions. However, I have been awakened from my meditations concerning Ovid's Metamorphoses by the somewhat remarkable contribution of Wendell Piez, 9-2-00, 9:24:28. In comparing it with my succinct contribution in which I disposed of all of political history and prehistory in one page (actually, in one sentence, but I am being open-minded), Wendell used approximately 2 - 1/2 pages to discuss one aspect of computer programming. I am not currently collecting paper for recycling, but there is the matter of the trees (versus the forest?). As a mathematician and physicist, I cannot quite consider that Wendell's contribution exceeds all of political history and prehistory. I have been curious in the past as to the skills required to be a computer/systems programmer/engineer/operator, as I seem to only relate to them at an extremely complex theoretical level (von Neumann and beyond), and I think that one of the skills seems to be the "ability or desire to produce complex nonsense". I myself did this in my previously obscure contribution, but for me it is unfortunately rather rare. However, my deceased colleague Isaac Asimov in his Foundation Series proposed measuring the nonsense content of sentences and speeches using extremely advanced technology (which has so far defied computer programmers' abilities), and he typically concluded that sentences usually contain 100% nonsense. Could I prevail upon Wendell to possibly restate his thesis, if any, in one sentence comparable to my political history-prehistory declaration that permutations of A, B, and N in Shakespearean play contexts contain all the content of political history-prehistory? Yours Faithfully, Osher Doctorow
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