[1] From: Guedon Jean-Claude <guedon@ERE.UMontreal.CA> (137)
Subject: Re: 13.0135 online publication
[2] From: Jim Marchand <marchand@staff.uiuc.edu> (26)
Subject: Re: 13.0132 economics, sociology, history of science
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:37:41 +0100
From: Guedon Jean-Claude <guedon@ERE.UMontreal.CA>
Subject: Re: 13.0135 online publication
Dear Chris Ann and Willard,
In response to both of you, let me say that there is a possibility of
having one's cake and eating it too. In other words, one can, or rather
could, make texts freely available :
1. if the "pre-print" equivalent were deposited in some creditable
archive where a minimal check for relevance screens out the unwanted texts.
2. if groups of recognized, preferably prestigious, in any case
credible, specialists would design "journal" equivalents by overlaying
their seal of approval onto specific texts. These texts could then be
moved to a second bank, just as freely available as before, but clearly
marked as refereed texts. Amusingly, a text could get extra visibility by
being refereed several times and included within several "journals".
Thus, interdisciplinary and otherwise hard-to-classify texts could be
taken care of in a useful and even elegant manner.
3. Missing piece: a stable, viable, financial scheme to support the
operation. Libraries? A small fee for archiving from the author (many
journals already impose page charges in the hard sciences). Other?
4. This approach eliminates the tension between the realist and the
idealist.
I am trying to see how to transform my own journal, Surfaces, into such a
device, while keeping an eye on the Scholars Forum being designed in
California (no need to reinvent the wheel if it already exists).
The first "journal" or overlay wil be in the area of cybercultures.
Best to all.
Jean-Claude Gu=E9don
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:37:52 +0100
From: Jim Marchand <marchand@staff.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: 13.0132 economics, sociology, history of science
Norm and I always seem to agree and to have had the same experiences. When
I entered the Linguistic Society in the late 40s, the old buddy system
seemed rampant. It was necessary for one to know that Henry Lee Smith went
by the name "Haxie", etc. etc. Then came the Chomsky movement in the late
50s, early 60s and plus ca change. But that was preceded by the
Curtius/Brugmann story, the stealing of an international meeting by the
Prague School; you name it. Here, I have to disagree with Norm -- I don't
think things have really changed all that much. Merton's "Gatekeepers of
Science" are still there. I have no real proposal to end this situation,
and perhaps it is a good one, though I would like to see more free flow of
scholarship and "let it lodge where it may." Disagreeing with Merton for a
moment, he has the Matthew Syndrome which says: The more you publish the
more you are enabled. I went for years and years without having an article
turned down, and I went for years and years without ever being asked to do =
a
more than perfunctory rewrite. Now it is a common experience for me, though
my perception is that my writing is somewhat better now. I once had an
article accepted by Bernard Bloch and he wrote me: "Your style is
abominable," though he proposed no betterments. I sent him a short night
letter (I was a grad student and had little money): Tu autem dicis, to whic=
h
he replied with a telegram: Touche. I unfortunately do not have the middle
part of this exchange.
I still perceive the Old Buddy system, the Old Girl system; I am probably a
member of it myself without noticing. Man being a herd animal, it seems
quite likely that it will be ever so.
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