6.0377 Rs: Presence and Absence (3/34)

Elaine Brennan (EDITORS@BROWNVM.BITNET)
Wed, 2 Dec 1992 21:43:39 EST

Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 6, No. 0377. Wednesday, 2 Dec 1992.


(1) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 08:43:47 -0500 (17 lines)
From: warkent@epas.utoronto.ca (Germaine Warkentin)
Subject: Absence/Presence

(2) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 11:14 CST (6 lines)
From: Michael Ossar <MLO@KSUVM>
Subject: Re: presence in absence

(3) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 13:23+0000 (11 lines)
From: Timothy.Reuter@MGH.BADW-MUENCHEN.DBP.DE
Subject: Re:6.0370 Presence/absence

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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 08:43:47 -0500
From: warkent@epas.utoronto.ca (Germaine Warkentin)
Subject: Absence/Presence


Victor Caston might well look at sonnet 106 of Sir Philip Sidney's
sequence Astrophil and Stella, "O absent presence Stella is not here."
The popularity of Sidney's sequence in the 1590s suggests that
Shakespeare would not have had to look very far for the motif. Sidney
himself is encapsulating a prevailing theme of the later sonnets and
canzoni of Petrarch's Canzoniere (the so-called poems "in morte").

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Germaine Warkentin warkent@epas.utoronto.ca
English, Victoria College, University of Toronto
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 11:14 CST
From: Michael Ossar <MLO@KSUVM>
Subject: Re: presence in absence

Victor Caston, you might want to take a look at Paul Celan's poem "Mandorla,"
where the phenomenon (though not the phrase) occurs.
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 13:23+0000
From: Timothy.Reuter@MGH.BADW-MUENCHEN.DBP.DE
Subject: Re:6.0370 Presence/absence

1 Corinthians 5, 3: absent in body yet present in spirit, provided a theme
constantly played on in medieval Latin letters: see Brian Patrick McGuire,
Friendship and Community: the monastic experience 350-1250, Kalamazoo,
Michigan: Cistercian publications inc. 1988 (Cistercian Studies 95) ISBN
0-87907-895-2, index s.v. absence for a few examples.

Timothy Reuter MGH Munich